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Next Utd Manager...

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Tickler, Apr 24, 2014.

  1. DAPARKERSAFC

    DAPARKERSAFC Well-Known Member

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    I thought Klopp would jump at the chance to get out of dortmund with bayern cherry picking their best players. Become an impossible job and has ruined the bundesliga a bit for me.
     
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  2. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    He's a loyal fella though by the looks of it, and long term I reckon there's hope for Dortmund. They won't go away.
     
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  3. Graham Carr's Binoculars

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    At the moment Dortmund are a much more progressive option than Man Utd.

    Although Bayern are cherry picking some of their best players, Dortmund have a conveyor belt of youth players filtering in to their playing style and first team squad with ease.

    Man United currently have such a big rebuilding job that it can't be done in just one or two windows, they have: Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Buttner, Young, Cleverley, Scholes, Giggs, Young, Nani, Anderson, Fletcher, Carrick & Valencia that have either already left, are not good enough, getting too old and need replacing in 12 months or are leaving in the summer. So you're looking at 14 players needed their to have squad a capable of challenging for the league title. I don't think any team has ever intergrated such a number of players in one window or season successfully.

    It's a minimum two year job and the very, very best managers don't like "projects" as they tend to believe they have earned the right to walk in to a club that needs tweaking and not rebuilding. Mourinho, Guardiola, Ancelloti etc are out of their reach and Klopp has done so well a Dortmund that it's too big a risk for him to take the job as there's a good chance that whoever takes it will fail (meaning his reputation would take a battering).
     
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  4. Tel (they/them)

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    Pep Guardiola wouldn't be asked to manage United, he's one dimensional and his philosophy wouldn't work at United.

    We're never going to overhaul the entire squad, but adding 4 world class players to our current squad will get us back in the title race with a top manager, we don't need to replace all of those players.

    Somebody like Kroos if we signed him, would make all the difference, players can't get near him on his day. The rebuild has to be well planned, quality over quantity. I agree, at least two years still before we will be in the mix though, I can't see it going right from day 1 for any manager coming in.
     
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  5. HorsleyHillCat

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    Gus Poyet!!!
     
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  6. haslam

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    I would look at it the other way around anyway if you were a manager coming in:

    De Gea

    Evra - Jones - Evans

    Carrick - Mata - Kagawa - Fellaini - Fletcher - Januzaj(?)

    Rooney - Van Persie - Welbeck

    All good enough (in my view) to be in a champions league team pushing for trophies (realise many may disagree on Fellaini - who has looked awful this season), with decent back-up from Lindegaard, Rafael, Smalling, Young, Nani, Cleverley, Valencia and Hernandez.

    Throw in a couple of real quality midfielders an experienced (though not necessarily expensive) top class defender and some wing backs and you have a very competitive squad. 4 or 5 players, £100m+?

    It's fantasy football stuff but the basics for me are that the board aren't going to be keen to release huge money to a new manager who isn't coming in with winning credentials - it has to be someone who can point at their trophies and say to the players "I've also won lots of things so shut up and listen".
     
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  7. C19RK73

    C19RK73 Red & White army!

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    I've just ruled myself out lads
     
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  8. Nostalgic

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    Don't see why Steve McLaren should not be given a look see. Players who are now coaches thought the world of him during his coaching period and ManU, not a question of destroying anything but steadying things. Most of the blame is pointed at Moyes' approach to games and team set up which should be easily rectifiable. Done a worthy job at Derby as well.
     
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  9. Tel (they/them)

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    There's nobody more qualified than McClaren to take over as head coach at United, but as manager I'd have serious reservations about his ability to tactically get one over on his opposite number in the big games, the games that win trophies. The bloke is probably the best coach in England bar none, United players absolutely loved working with him, he came in mid way through '99 and the players are adamant they'd never have won the treble if it wasn't for him.
     
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  11. Nads

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    There was a convo on here about McLaren the other week, and we agreed his club record is magnificent.

    The problem is he simply hasn't managed anywhere near United level, but he does no the club inside out, and you talk about tactically, he did great things at Boro changing and altering to get them to a European final.
     
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  12. haslam

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    I make no secret of the fact I'm a big McLaren fan and would love him to take over at Newcastle. Like many managers he would be regarded much more highly if the England players hadn't made him look a chump.
     
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    but he picked them?
     
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  14. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    He gets total respect from every angle of support in the red part of Manchester, he's effectively a coaching god to us but he wanted to try stepping into the management spotlight himself, as most do. He's been a success on the whole as a manager, it's no coincidence that QPR started well with him there and went slowly to **** since he left them early this year/season.

    The issue would be that as a manager, he'd be another underwhelming appointment which isn't a good start and could he attract the world class talent we need? I don't think he could.
     
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