Summer 2014 Transfer rumour thread - Part II

Well we both seem to have different interpretations of what he's saying for a start, which rather negates your point? It would appear you're reading it as "nobody will be sold", I'm reading it as "nobody needs to be sold in order to balance the books". They are two very different things. Thankfully you seem to be privy to what Krueger knows exactly, which is interesting.....

 

Krueger said we don't have to sell and don't want to sell. That puts us in a good position...doesn't mean that no one will go (with Mauricio's consent) but does mean it is on our terms. That's as good as you will get with any business.

 

Fair enough. However, we know that the intention is to keep all the players Poch wants to keep. Now to keep Poch for the long term.

Incidentally, I have no doubt, bar a managerial merry-go-round since Moyes departure, of Poch staying this summer. Saints are the ideal club for an ambitious manager who likes to progress academy players. It's why he was our chosen one, after all. However, my only fear is that Poch is a man of his word, and once he says something he may not easily go back on it. Krueger may promise him the Earth, but Poch may finally follow Cortese out the door. He's the one signing I will breathe more easily over, once he's committed long term.

 

Nail. Head. Thank you Fran. Exactly that. It may be the case we can't afford to invest in new players unless someone like Shaw is sold. Then that's a decision for Mauricio to make - does he take the £30m and reinvest that to build the squad. Up to him. If that happens, it's not going at all against anything that Krueger has said. That's my point.

 

Yes, I see your point. However, [and I know this is a rumour thread] I find it odd that we [us fans] seem to want to talk about selling players when there is clearly no intention by the club. It's not a case of will they, won't they. That's entirely speculation brought about by newspapers. I suppose we could discuss these matters on the basis of... if all the newspaper bull**** has any shred of validity at all... but that's a pretty tenuous state to be talking from. Besides, aren't we supposed to be strengthening the squad, not weakening it..? Personally, I'd like to see some rumours of star/key players coming into the club.

 

Look at this rubbish: http://www.tribalfootball.com/artic...ampton-target-rafa-silva-4018699#.U1jwRXlwb0w

 

We want to discuss it because it would have a very big impact on our squad so it's worth talking about. TSS, how are you going to react if we do sell one of our key players? Will you keep pretending it hasn't happened even after they show up at St Mary's in another team's kit?

 

It will come as a minor unpleasant surprise.

I really don't know why people have so much fun talking about the negatives. There are enough in everyday life without actively seeking out more that don't even exist, at present.

 

It's not fun per se, but this is a rumour thread about transfers, and it just so happens that currently the majority of transfer speculation rotates around players moving from our club. Hence why the discussion.

 

I quote:

"We are definitely not factoring in a big player sale."
"What we have here is very good and we are doing everything in our power to keep this group together."

I'm not naive enough to believe everything this guy says without question, he still has a lot to prove in that regard, but "everything in our power" is pretty emphatic. Whatever your interpretation, lots of people will feel betrayed if Shaw (or another major player) is sold.

 

Like all other clubs, I bet Southampton are looking at a lot of players all the time, keeping an eye on quite a few, and even asking about the price of some. This is just garnering information. We shouldn't be surprised if other teams do the same to our little gems, but I suspect many will be put off by price. Not many footballers throw the dummies out the pram and force a move, definitely not youngsters just starting out. Cortese did the best he could with Chamberlain, but we weren't in the PL then. Take deep breaths...may have a bumpy ride, but I will be surprised if any of our main players leave.

 

"We are not factoring in" to me says "this is not part of the financial calculations moving forward, and we don't need to sell from a £ perspective". That doesn't at all mean they won't decide to should a big bid come in/should a player want to move and the concensus being it might be a good move for either/all parties.

Likewise the second quote. Things change, bids come in, decisions get made by all parties on the back of those bids. There's also no mention of money available to strengthen without sales. That's going to be a key influencer here as to whether a big bid is accepted. Why would you feel "betrayed" under those conditions? He's not said "nobody is being sold".

 

I'm sure you appreciate that that's not the only way his words can be interpreted. If he wanted to leave some room for players to be sold, he could have been more equivocal.

 

We're just repeating the same things over and over again every time a new article hits the press, and the transfer window isn't even open yet ... this place is going to be carnage once it is!

 

He's left plenty of room for players to be sold, do you not see that? All he's doing is removing one of the considerations for a player sale, which is balancing books. All the other possibilities are left (purposefully) open.

 

I'll reword the statement - "We don't particularly want anyone to leave, in fact ideally we'd rather nobody did, but if that does happen then it won't be as a result of us doing so to pay any of the widely reported debts off".

 

It is every window.

 

well on fifa 14 he is very fast!!! but not 20 million worth

 

If shaw does go, anybody think Clyne might replace him at LB? He did it last season for a fair few games (where he scored that great goal at home to Villa) and Flanagan has shown that it can be a seemless transition if you're good enough. Thoughts?

 

It will be forever thus until Saints become a club that can rival those at the top of the table. The media actively do their bit to maintain the status quo, as well. There have been interesting articles written about the very subject of bigger clubs dissecting smaller clubs squads and thus they cannot remain properly competitive, and return to their lowly position in the hierarchy. Makes you wonder why Everton don't get consumed by it..?

OK, I do see that there might be an attraction to talking about transfer speculation, but let's remember, that is all it is speculation. I might speculate that Saints may win the Premier League next season, or that we'll sign Gareth Bale back to his first professional football club. These are only slightly further fetched subjects and are every bit as much bullshit. Just because the newspapers continue to tell us so, doesn't make it any closer to being true. What they are very good at doing is breaking news like Moyes' departure. Simply because a leak came from a figure within the club to newspapers of good reputation [Telegraph and Guardian]. That's reporting, not speculation.