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Garry Monk – Yes Or No

Discussion in 'Swansea City' started by DragonPhilljack, Apr 23, 2014.

  1. Yankee_Jack

    Yankee_Jack Well-Known Member

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    To follow on from DB's comments on Sherwood, I think he was recently quote on the BBC site as saying that he is still not sure what his best line-up is. That implies a lack of clarity on the system he wants to play and an inability to deal with ambiguity. These are not good traits in a coach or any manager - and Sherwood has been doing it for a while. I think it's one thing to be a coach (i.e. running drills, developing skills etc) and coaching in practice and there is being what we generally call a "manager" or a head coach which has to do with having a vision, strategic and tactical planning and execution, personnel management and so on. These are two distinctly different sets of skills, competence and experience. Sherwood may be a very good coach - but not necessarily a "manager".

    We don't need a coach; we need a "manager" that can coach.
     
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  2. ivoralljack

    ivoralljack Well-Known Member

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    I do.
     
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  3. Yankee_Jack

    Yankee_Jack Well-Known Member

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    I think this is the root cause of our problems. Perhaps done with good intentions (isn't it always) but the downstream effect of familiarity and an "open door" policy without well defined boundaries is not healthy in any organization. If you are going to have organizational structure and key people in that structure to play key roles then you have to respect the structure and the key people within it from the top and from the bottom otherwise chaos and unhealthy out-of-channel communications can result.
     
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  4. loveofthegame

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    A resounding no from me.Great servant and a decent bloke but,we need a Manager with experience and contacts that could give us stability.Someone who commands instant respect ala ML.My opinion is we have good players and with a decent manager and a few additions we could be very strong for years to come.WE need to act quickly so the new manager is given time
     
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  5. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    That was the problem, ML lost all respect within a short few months, His philosophy of how to run the club was the dead opposite to the way other recent managers had run the club all with great success. We could never continue doing things ML's way as he was sending us backwards, One of our main strengths was keeping the players happy and all within a wage structure and ML started to mess around with that that today some players are on thousands of pounds per week more than their team mates, Some players have always been paid more than others but it was kept within the pay scale that all the regular players could achieve depending how they perform. It was a big issue with jinks and rightly so. Ml's idea of training was alien to the club and so poor the players hated his ways and that was if he even managed to turn up at the training ground. We could not carry on like that, no club could and you can see now how is other clubs had huge disagreements with him. It was jinks who had the best interest of the club not ML, he had little interest in the club and was only happy with his huge pay cheque every month. We should have sacked him much earlier because the signs were there in the second half of last season which me and some others pointed out at the time. ML was a huge mistake on jenkins part and for that he has to take some of the responsibility and thank god he put his foot down and said enough is enough and put the breaks on ML,s ways before it was too late and i am certain he did it just in time as we were a club in turmoil and heading for the trap door fast.
     
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  6. gendrosjack

    gendrosjack New Member

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    Yawn, yawn same old tripe! ML was the most successful manager in the clubs history. He brought in great players for the club. Maybe Bony is on more money, to get the best you have to pay. If and when Bony goes this summer you can bet it will raise the Swans a fortune, excellent business from ML. Monk the 'chump' has had the benefit of being able to select from a full squad after he took over we plumeted down the table, the players are so 'happy' they are fighting every week! Soon as the season is over he will be out of the job.
     
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  7. Taffvalerowdy

    Taffvalerowdy Well-Known Member

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    We won 6 PL games in 24 under ML.

    We have won 3 in 11 under GM.

    We were only a couple of points above the relegation zone under ML. We are 6 points clear now.

    Also, wasn't Bony a Huw signing? ML wanted Aspas and others ahead of Bony?
     
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  8. gendrosjack

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    Same old, same old Taff. Michael Laudrup took us to our highest position in the league, won us our first major trophy, got us through the knock out stages in Europe. This season despite a heavy fixture list and a squad beset with injuries, we were further up the league, still in the FA cup and still in Europe, the signings he made were top draw. In years to come he will rightly be acclaimed as the clubs greatest ever manager, people here have quickly rounded on him and it is sickening. He was stabbed in the back by Monk, Monk jumped into his seat and almost got us relegated, he has caused a huge split in the camp. After the shambles of the sacking we became a laughing stock. If Monk remains there will be further meltdown, with few willing to come to a split camp. Thankfully most people realise this, just take a look at the polls. Instead of knocking Laudrup have the decency to thank him and wish him well for all he did for the club.
     
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  9. Sbulby

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    We were also in the FA cup knocking out Man U and in the last 32 of the Europa league before ML left, didn't take long for Monk to change that. It must also be remembered that ML had massive injury problems whereas Monk has had the strength in depth for most of his time as manager.
     
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  10. Taffvalerowdy

    Taffvalerowdy Well-Known Member

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    Gendros - Could you please point to where I have "knocked" Laudrup? I merely pointed out a couple of "facts" - namely that Monk's win percentage in the PL is "currently" higher than Laudrup's this season. Secondly, rumour has it that Bony was not necessarily ML's signing/choice.

    You are the one who "knocked" someone by calling Monk a "chump".

    Me - I support our Managers.....................
     
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  11. Taffvalerowdy

    Taffvalerowdy Well-Known Member

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    In Business there is a saying "Turnover for show, Profit for dough"

    In Football, that can be paraphrased as "Cups for show, League for dough"

    Monk's primary task was / is to keep us in the PL - everything else is secondary.

    As for injury problems, who wanted a "thin" squad?
     
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  12. Sbulby

    Sbulby Well-Known Member

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    Regarding Monk's and ML's PL record there is absolutely nothing in it, if we lose Saturday they're records will be exactly the same, so considering ML's injury problems and the amount of cup games he had to deal with (successfully may I add) then Monk hasn't exactly moved us forward has he. Not up to it period.
     
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  13. Taffvalerowdy

    Taffvalerowdy Well-Known Member

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    ML's final 38 PL matches yielded 36 points. So not exactly the "Demi-god" that some on here would have us believe - and, if you care to check, the return was trending down.

    That said, I agree that Monk is not the answer. My Dutch friends tell me that Ronald Koeman is interested.
     
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  14. gendrosjack

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    ^Taff 7ou repeatedly undermine ML, you call up all the 'facts' you like, it doesnt change what that man did for our club. Whats this cups for show bull? Singularly our greatest achievement? God you must be hard to please, what do you expect him to win the PL? You can quote all the points bull you like its league position that counts, under him we were our highest position in the league and further up the league than now after Monk's 'success'. You claim to support our manager's its about time Monk the 'chump' did, its the second one he has put the knife in to my knowledge, normally after he has been dropped or slighted.
     
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  15. Taffvalerowdy

    Taffvalerowdy Well-Known Member

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    Please quote where I have undermined ML? ML did very well last season and the majority of fans are grateful to him and recognise this.

    Cups for show is not "bull" as you put it. The PL is far more important - period.
     
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  16. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    Ml is useless and he has proved he is useless No more need to be said, He was sacked end of just like he was sacked or walked out of his other clubs...what a good specimen for a manager that is..<laugh> he is history so get over yourself...Has anyone snapped him up yet <laugh> good managers get jobs...<laugh>
     
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  17. gendrosjack

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    Taff obviously you undermine him by not concentrating on the 'achievments' and trying to use your 'facts' against him. Points are very important but not as important as the league position. You might not hold the cup in high regard but myself and half of Wembley might slightly disagree!
     
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  18. gendrosjack

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    Egg is waiting for your face again Dai, just wait and see where Monk is at the end of the season. 5 years time we will remember Rodgers, Martinez, Sousa and Laudrup, how will Monk compare? The same as he did as a player, below average. People outside the club will say, 'Gary who?'.
     
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  19. JackCwm

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    ML's achievements are set in stone and they are to be recognised and admired.

    I'm not sure he helped himself at the end however by failing to set expected standards. If someone is undermining you (if that is true and no one has conclusively proven that) then failing to attend a single training after Xmas 2013 is surely giving ammunition to people. Most employers do like and expect their employees to turn up for work in my experience.

    Just very sad the way and manner it ended.

    My understanding is that the Players are more than happy for GM to have the job. Possibly not the required recommendation but must count in his favour.

    I lean towards a more experienced Manager with GM as No 2. However, wouldn't be surprised if Board give him the job.
     
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  20. Dragonborn

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    Agree with that JC. Whichever side of the debate you're on saying ML was useless when he delivered the best season in our history is laughable.
     
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