AC Milan ... currently 39 points behind leaders Juventus ... just saying like ... although I don't believe for one minute that United won't be competing for a CL spot next season ...
I suspect they will be back soon enough. It wont be a decline the likes of which liverpool suffered. Im talking prolongued. Not so long ago Milan were champions of Italy. 2010 was it?
Why give him a six/seven year contract? You bring the abuse on yourselves. To many armchair fans via SKY that keep pushing the price of football out of the limit of the pockets of the less fortunate in the seek of constant glory, is that what modern day football has come too. Banners over Old Trafford from so called supporters. People full of opinions from the luxury of their super sized TV's. SKY couldn't wait to get stuck into Moyes all the plastic subscriptions it was costing them. Although i will say he did an excellent job of screwing you over, shame you didn't give him longer, just so i could watch the Prem implode and Sky shares plummet.
If you are priced out and can't actually afford go to games you are not a real fan apparently according to those same Skyites
I don't think United are in turmoil. With Fergie they were on a different level - an untouchable level which made their success the constant. Chelsea, City, Arsenal, ourselves all challenged the constant with varying success, but it remained even still. Now, you're not in turmoil. You've just lost the thing that made you so special. Still a big club - but not THE club.
theres no way fergie would of led this team to win the epl ..no way ..he got oot at the best time possible . mind he wouldn't let players go on , like this . the typical footie players now think they are untouchable. one thing about saf is he always said nobody is bigger than your club , proved with Ronaldo .. had the attitude of if you don't like then fook off
****ing hell. I cannot believe I am in agreement with a ******ed scouser fan FACT: Fergie made success a constant in the premiership years. Those United fans who think that any other manager will make this happen again will be in for a huge shock. We may well rejoin the top 2 or 3 elite but those who expect guaranteed success year in year out are living in fairyland.
UIR, he may well have got us in contention again this season as the main challengers are doing their ****ing best to hand over the title to the scum. But without RVP, United would not have done better in the CL and even though he defo would have got us a CL place I am not so sure about the title.
We didn't have RVP the season before that, and we only lost out on goal difference, so I don't really buy that argument. SAF could always find a way to win with the players he had. He'd of probably bought in another striker anyways, as Rooney would have been sold
Conspiracy theory....maybe Fergie knew the turmoil coming and got out in time and just stitched up his old mate Moyes
mmm... *ponders* Here's another slant on that - if he genuinely believed that the squad was damaged beyond repair to the extent that nobody would cope and he needed to get out of there.... why not recommend mourinho and stand back open mouthed with the rest of the world watching the special one fail with his team? OR He genuinely believed that it would be better to go for a long term option than short term, fully expecting a drop (to say, 4th place/5th and missing out on CL by a hairs breadth), combined with the introduction of a new philosophy, and not in his wildest dreams expecting the utter trainwreck your season has been? Like, he probably thought that whilst there were areas of your squad that definitely needed repairing, that the team that had just strolled to the finish line and had a cup of tea waiting for the opposition would probably be showing signs of decency at some point in this season?
clearly i ain't got a clue BUT mourinho would never have taken the job...would he? E Holmes summed it up for me unwittingly when he said even he could have done something with the team where Moyes failed (not those words but something like that)...so surely the unseen train wreck was already there? Why after all these years when it looked like SAF would never retire and die doing the job he appeared to love, did he walk away.... 'The Truth Is Out There' in April 2014
mmm OK I will give you this - aside from the genuine personal reasons he has given about his wife, I think it possible that privately and independently he would have accepted that it was the perfect time to leave as he probably would not have won the league this year. There is not a snowball's chance in hell he would have finished outside the top 4 though, and there are 20 years worth of evidence to this, some of those years with teams far worse than he left Moyes. Yes it needed rebuilding, but it was a million miles from what it's turned out as. My point was, in the right hands that squad was absolutely fine. I believe he genuinely thought that Moyes would cope - I think he hadn't considered in enough detail the implication of putting his players under the charge of somebody who hadn't won anything. The more I think about it, the more I genuinely think that was the be all and end all of where Moyes' reign went wrong. Those players weren't 'refusing' per se to give him their backing, they just couldnt give him their backing because he had no title winning credentials. I would go as far as to say that had Mourinho done everything the same as Moyes, from start to finish, he would have coped better because there would be more players in that dressing room who believed he knew what he was talking about. WIth Moyes they had nothing to hold on to. I think Mourinho would have taken the job had it been offered to him. Probably wouldnt have won the league in his first season but would have had them in the top 3, probably there or there abouts where his Chelsea side are now, with an assault on the league next season. Shame for Moyes though, decent man just didnt cut it!
No stitching up. If that team had another couple of seasons I think Fergie would still be here this season, there was no point in Fergie starting the rebuilt and retiring half way through it and he wasn't interested in committing another 5 years to managing so he went out on a high, completely understandable situation. The key players that gave Fergie success have all come to the end bar one or two. Vidic Rio Evra Giggs Carrick amongst others are at the end. people talk about last year, it wasn't easy for United, there was just a lack of an actual challenge, United did well getting the points they did but neither Chelsea Arsenal or City provided any challenge for the title. This is not taking away from United's achievement, it is condemnation of the other top sides for failing. The time was right and given Fergie got that lot to the title, he figured they'd get Moyes in around 4th, that was hardly on as Fergie just got more out of them than Moyes was ever going to in his first season AND a bunch of players have faded too, add all the other changes and the pathetic performances of players that cannot be blamed on the manager, he never had a chance.
There is an element of truth to this, but I think a lot of the players' decline has been sped up by Fergie's absence. Put it this way, individually they weren't all world-beaters, but together Fergie used to get out more than the sum of their parts. This compensated for the weaknesses in our midfield and defence (although clearly shown up in the big games, even with Fergie). As for last season's success, I agree with most of that, but I reckon this season with the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal and City doing the footballing equivalent of the Chuckle Brothers "to me...to you" routine with the title, Fergie would have been there or there abouts again (with Liverpool being the only challengers possibly). No word of a lie, at Christmas (granted we were having some bad results but we were within touching distance of 4th position) I not only thought we would get top 4, but I felt it wouldn't be a surprise for us to win the damn thing with the way the other 3 were faltering continuously.
