Both are really good keepers. I have no complaints about Mignolet. Ocassionally makes mistakes, but so did Reina. Both keepers are capable of major heroics too. I do think Reina is slightly better though. He certainly appears to fit the mould of a Rodgers type player better which makes his exclusion odd. I think I recall reading that Mignolet is on much lower wages than Reina- so I suspect that is the real difference between the two. We took a slight step down on keeper in order to have more money to sign *cough cough* players for other positions.
It's easy to say "Reina would have stopped that too" about more than a dozen world class saves Mig has made this season. He made two difficult saves yesterday as well.
i would like reina back but i doubt it will happen now sadly for a lot of different reasons, we do need better than jones as backup though.
Migs is our guy, still young and will have to fix some of these things like controlling the area, etc. Reina is going to be at Napoli, Barca, or Milan next year.
You're right, I doubt we'll get him back, as good as he is, he's gone. I do feel like Reina deserved to be at the club on this title-challenge season, as good as a servant for the club as he has been. Regarding Jones, it's interesting, but I think he looks worse than he is. He actually doesn't have too bad a record for us. It's also really difficult for keepers to come off the bench for some reason. Subby GKs never seem to do too well- for almost anyone. I don't think Jones is that bad. Far behind Reina and Mignolet in quality- but he is decent enough as a back up. He just LOOKS awkward at times. I certainly wouldn't object to getting a better replacement in. I'm sure we could do better- it just wouldn't be high on my list of priorities.
Could say the same for Carra, but it happens like that sometimes. Gotta be gut-wrenching for players on loan though when they come back and if we have won the title to have missed out on the party!!!
Comparing Reina with Carra? Reina DIDN'T deserve to be at the club this season. His body language last year was appalling. He wanted to go. His utterances as he left were equally resigned. Very quick to wave us goodbye.
He said Reina probably deserved to be here, just said that if you think like that then you have to have Carra in the conversation and he even said himself that if he knew the season would have been like this he would have waited another year.
No thanks to Pepe. On his day, one of the best in the world - but he has struggled over the past 3-4 years and he;s struggling in Italy as well. Mignolet has had shaky moments but he has won us points as well. Still a young keepere and I think he will get better. IMO - there are other positions that badly need improving which will help stop the goals i.e. new full backs who will prevent crosses coming in.
This is the problem, you see the spectacular stuff Migs does well, but you don't notice the basic stuff he fails to do, that have also cost us points. Many a time he could have come off his line and saved many a scrambled goal, by just getting to the ball a few yards out and smothering it, but he won't move off his line. How many times did he boot the ball out, stright to an opposition player, who started a move that resulted in a goal? He has caused more goals to be scored, than he has saved with his springy pouncing, as good as that looks.
I agree but the same applies to a lot of players in our team. Everyone is creaming themselves over Flannagan but he is easily beaten by pace and power, and his positioning is pretty poor. But then he makes a crunching tackle and all is well. Skrtel can make a couple of last ditch tackles and he looks amazing, but then he makes a mistake (e.g. he got beaten by Aguero and Dzeko in crucial areas) and we get punished. Gerrard can make a 70 yard pass and that's all people talk about - but they won't notice how he loses a runner who gets into free space in the box. Allen doesn't do anything spectacular but his passing, movement, pressing, intelligence goes unnoticed because it's not glamorous. This post isn't about criticising the team but it shows you have to take the rough with the smooth. With Mignolet, he will develop and I have seen him becoming more proactive in coming off his line in recent games. But the underlying problem is the fact that we let in so many crosses in the first place - and this stems from our poor full backs.
There are few keepers in world football who had the distribution and confidence with the ball at their feet than Pepe . But let's not forget the last season or two when he made several mistakes on fairly simple shots. Ming cocked up yesterday but he has made some stunning saves that have won us quite a few points this season going right back to the Stoke penalty save. There were so many crosses coming in yesterday that he was bound to cock up one, just our bad luck it fell straight to a norwich player. Give him time, still think he's a good keeper. However, would like to see more competition for his place.
Plenty of good shot-stoppers in the country. Ming isn't even on the same planet as Grobbelaar on that score. He's not in the same cosmos as Clemence for dealing with his six-yard box. We need a keeper that can deal with crosses more than a shot-stopper, as teams like West Ham and Norwich have sussed that it's their only hope against us. I expect The Effiminate one will play Ba and Schurle up front against us too for that reason, with Luis, Terry and Ivanovich pushed forward for every set piece. He's the weakest link, but we've no choice but support him till the end of the season.
I won't comment on Mignolet as he seems pretty decent to me and is still cutting his teeth in his first season at a big club. But Reina is done and dusted. Anyone who watched him objectively in his last two seasons at Livpl and has seen him in Italy will confirm he is in decline (he's only kept like half a dozen clean sheets this season!) and it would be a massive mistake bringing him back. Napoli is his last hurrah (thanks to Rafa) and he will end up in La Liga at somewhere like Betis soon enough. You'd be mad to want him back tbh.
i have watched a few napoli games and reina has looked dodgy to be fair. as we seem to be playing the same style all the way through the ranks be nice if we could start getting a keeper coming through that was able to handle the ball at his feet, we had a keeper on trial from spurs or something in one youth game, but he didn't look that great to me to be honest, not sure what happened there, what everyone is looking for is a courtois type coming through that is going to be quality, but also getting valuable first team football on loan as well at a high level. reina could be a useful bargaining tool along with maybe agger and lucas, depends if any think they have a future or not and if napoli have any players we may want.
Like some others I'm loathe to criticise any player too much when we're sitting at the top of the table but I have to say if you wanted a keeper out of the two who far better suits the way we play then it could only be Reina. When your full backs spend half the game bombing forward and the centre backs having to split to cover wider areas it makes much more sense to have a keeper who plays more like a sweeper. Reina is one of the best at that role I've ever seen. Yes Ming has made some amazing saves but quite a few of them come about because he's not commanding his box anywhere near enough. Watching him stay on his line so often is frustrating as ****. Basically he's done decent but he has a few flaws and needs to improve next season
Reina hasn't been solid at Napoli. Not at all. The way he has flirted with Barca for years has now backfired on him, Liverpool and Barca don't want him so he's gonna have to make do with Napoli. Sometimes karma is a b**ch.
Really? I would say not one of our entire defensive team deals with crosses from preventing them or clearing them, keeper is important in that but their jobs made impossible if the player crossing gets all the time in the world and the only pressure on the recipient in the box comes from the ocasional fondle. Put any keeper in there we want and I'd still say we'd be in disarray 2 out of three crosses with our CBs facing their own goal half the time and our FB's watching from afar....
Billy I think your appreciation of Reina is based upon his performance at its best. But that level was not achieved during at least the last 2 seasons with us. Now I'm not disputing that Ming is far from perfect but the true gap is not as wide as you suggest. On top of that Reina himself has said and written too much for our club to welcome him back with open arms. For me he made his bed now ......
