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Official Not606 Chinese GP Chat and Predicktions

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by 51LV3R8RR04, Apr 15, 2014.

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Whose fortune will come true?

Poll closed Apr 18, 2014.
  1. Nico Rosberg

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  2. Lewis Hamilton

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  3. Nico Hulkenberg

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  4. Fernando Alonso

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  5. Jenson Button

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  6. Sebastian Vettel

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  7. Kevin Magnussen

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  8. Valterri Bottas

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  9. Sergio Perez

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  10. Daniel Ricciardo

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  11. Other, please mention below and in bold

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  1. ched999uk

    ched999uk Well-Known Member

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    It is a bit unfair that the Total fuel that was submitted to the FIA and approved for use in the Red Bulls may be damaging seals on the FIA approved fuel flow meter!
    Once again it may be the FIA that have made the mistake in not checking that the approved fuel composition is not compatible with the only approved fuel flow sensor.
    Red Bull still refused to comply with technical directive so disqualification should still stand but the failure of the sensors may be down to FIA!!!!!
     
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  2. 51LV3R8RR04

    51LV3R8RR04 Well-Known Member

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    Tyre wear will be the only factor with Mercedes against Red Bull here, but when you can pull 1.5-2 seconds a lap more than anybody else tyre wear is going to mean **** all in the end.
     
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  3. Paco Montoya

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    Alonso seemed very lonely today - not close to the mercs and red bulls but ahead of force India, Williams and kimi
     
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  4. 51LV3R8RR04

    51LV3R8RR04 Well-Known Member

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    Interesting article by motor sport magazin: http://www.motorsport-magazin.com/f...rsachenforschung-ricciardo-wieder-vor-vettel/

    Helmut Marko pretty much saying what you heard dhel with regards to engine mappings changing, now I know this is Helmut talking but he isn't afraid to highlight flaws in Vettel during the 2012 season and is mostly honest with his reviews. It seems the mappings for Daniel have been more consistent compared with Vettel's which haven't been to what he desired.





    Not quite as Red Bull motorsport advisor Dr. Helmut Marko said: "There are reasons for Sebastian has more problems with the engine mapping Daniel is lucky that his mapping is constant - we need to put right on Vettel's car too!.."

    Different Mappings

    A brief digression into the technology of Formula 1: A motor does not work just like that. He needs - simply put - meticulous engine control unit instructions. For example, how much fuel to be injected or when each of the six spark plugs to ignite the spark exactly. There are different mappings, so basic settings.

    Pilots can choose from the cockpit between different mappings. For example, there are settings for safety car periods when very little power is required and fuel can be saved for qualifying laps, when the gasoline consumption almost does not matter and so on. These mappings are apparently not identical with Ricciardo and Vettel.

    Since beginning of the season Red Bull is working on different software settings. To compensate for the power deficit of Renault Power Unit, the world champion team attempted extract with aggressive programming more power. Apparently you go at Vettel here more risk than with Ricciardo. What in the optimum case brings more maximum power, even dangers.

    Rain makes deficits significantly
    Drivability, that is, the way how the motor delivers its output, suffers from the aggressive mapping. "When it rains, it is particularly difficult when the engine response is not equal to" Marko continues. Three out of four qualifying sessions took place in 2014 in the rain.

    The performance of Ricciardo but he does not want to belittle: "It was a great round of Daniel, who has struck at the last moment and has got the maximum out of the tires." At the same time Vettel made on his final lap a small error, which explains the large distance.

    All these factors make it difficult to draw an honest comparison. Ricciardo here has the disadvantage of Nobody: Everyone looks cramped for explanations for something but can not be: Vettel beat. In the end, Marko must confess: "Seb and Dani are more or less the same level." Nevertheless, Red Bull has to put the question why you received this risk when Vettel. The rain finally came not out of the blue.

    And even in race trim seems Ricciardo's setup to work better what the last race and the long run analysis in motorsport Magazin.com have shown.



    Makes sense to be honest, traction was always his strongest suit and if you start controlling that away from the way he likes it for more engine power to catch up Mercedes what do you expect.

    EDIT: It wouldn't also be far fetched that testing was the reason for this as well since Daniel was able to do a partial race runs during the early stages of the car at Jerez where as Vettel was always getting the bad luck with reliability and never got a decent race stint to gather info on etc.
     
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  5. SgtBhaji

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    Yeah... I was thinking the same.
     
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  6. dhel

    dhel Well-Known Member

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    Do you think Hamilton compromised his middle sector a little to give him better drive off the final turn? Seems like most cars were going wide there except for him....even when Rosberg was up he carried too much speed there and spun off.
     
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  7. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    Possibly....Hard to say for sure. But that's why it's hard to take the best times through three sectors, tack them all together and come up with an overall best lap time when conditions are not optimal. Sometimes there has to be a compromise.
     
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  8. 51LV3R8RR04

    51LV3R8RR04 Well-Known Member

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  10. 51LV3R8RR04

    51LV3R8RR04 Well-Known Member

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    Red Bull were changing connections of the FIA sensors so it might be their fault.
     
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  11. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    True... but if that's not the issue, it flags up an issue with the sensor for my money. Not the fuel.
     
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  12. GramP

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    I was checking out the reports of the F1 technical delegate #########9document 7) regarding PU Component Changes that had been made

    http://184.106.145.74/f1-championsh... One Chinese Grand Prix 2014 Document - 7.pdf

    and came across some phrases that I did not understand

    new control electronics-DCDC (CE-DCDC)

    new control electronics-CUHK (CE-CUHK)

    new control electronics-PB (CE-PB)

    new control electronics-OBI (CE-OBI)

    new control electronics-TRAC (CE-TRAC)

    Does anyone know what those abbreviations mean?
     
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  13. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    Pretty sure the 4th is a Jedi.
     
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  14. 51LV3R8RR04

    51LV3R8RR04 Well-Known Member

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    Well for what I could understand for explanations on google and a few looks in that site below...

    CE = Control Electronics *which is obvious here*
    DCDC = Direct Current to Direct Current
    PB = Could mean, Petabyte by the looks of it
    TRAC = Could be, Torque Reactive Anti-dive Control http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/TRAC Honda uses that term so it could be that.

    Apart from the rest the CUHK could be something about "Heat Kinect" other than that it's all I could find in short notice.


    You should ask tobias or scarbsf1 on twitter, they know their ****.

    EDIT: OBI could mean On Board Imager, not sure from the other variations though.
     
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  15. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    Or our resident Cosi. :)
     
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  16. Han Shot First

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    My prediction for tomorrow:

    1. Hamilton
    2. Rosberg
    3. Another Merc powered car.

    Red Bull look better in quali normally than they do in the race, and with their straight line speed being down, i can see someone like Bottas/Massa/Hulk mugging at least one of them on the first lap.
     
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  17. TopClass

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    Ricciardo has been pretty agressive at the starts so if Lewis doesn't get it right it could be interesting to watch them go at it into turn one.

    However, the Merc engines mean that Rosberg might also have a good chance of nipping up to 2nd.

    Any word on the weather or is it pretty certain to be dry?
     
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  18. Han Shot First

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    Looks like it'll be dry.
     
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  19. Pit Lane Charlie

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    Since it seems to be taking up so much space on "Chat and Predictions" for every race so far this year, should all the agonising over whether SV has quali/race/interview issues be shunted over into a separate thread, possibly started by someone who's interested?
     
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  20. DHCanary

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    Interesting abbreviations GramP, helpfully neither the FIA technical nor sporting regulations mention any of them, which is somewhat surprising if they're using them in official documentation.

    I'm presuming they're all components of the Control Electronics system, which may or not be the same as the ECU? The fact that it's further subdivided into further parts seems odd to me, seeing as in the regulations it's just referred to as CE, rather than subdividing further.

    Trying to narrow down what they are, SomersF1 and Scarbs don't have anything obvious on their websites unfortunately. I think Silver has got DCDC right as that makes sense in the context it's used in, and TRAC doesn't seem unreasonable. I can't see PB being petabyte though, that doesn't make a lot of sense.
     
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