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OT: Bank Holidays

Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by sb_73, Apr 18, 2014.

  1. FinnHoop

    FinnHoop Well-Known Member

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    Actuall muslims also believe in Jesus, just not that he was son of God, they see him as another prophet. So to be a Christian, you have to believe Jesus Christ was son of God.
     
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    77% of the adult population of America considering themselves to be Christian seems pretty overwhelming NY.
     
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    Care to share your facts? Its not important to me but your original statement that the majority of people in Britain are not Christian. The Census, just 3 years old, proves that wrong. I'm in no position to judge what a Christian is or isn't as I am not one, but people being prepared to describe themselves as a Christian is good enough for me, whatever that actually entails.

    I am well aware that neither today nor Monday are holidays in the States, my colleagues in the US are sending me constant emails and texts to prove it which, sadly, I am ignoring until Tuesday, when I will be boarding a plane....to the States. Your Founding Fathers did a brilliant job with the Constitution, ensuring that religion has no place in state affairs, including religious holidays. Jefferson's Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom was the work of a genius (and in all probability, an atheist). Sadly we have still not uncoupled ourselves over here, Church of England is the official state religion and the Queen is head of both the state and the Church.
     
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    What if I believe that there was a Jesus Christ and that his teachings are worthwhile, but I don't believe in a God? Can I still be a Christian?
     
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  5. ForestG

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    Holidays and my post was why
    Sounds about right but not sure why everyone has to quote US figs when the original post was about Bank Holidays and my comment was why they've become less celebrated in England.The inferiority complex is really quite amazing. I'm a Brit who lives in the US and I dont feel inferior at all and I assure you you guys dont have to either.
     
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    Why would you want to be? You can believe the same (simultaneously) about Buddha, Machiavelli, Socrates and Joey Barton. Surely to be a Christian you have to believe in a lot more than "Jesus had some decent messages"? Sin, the afterlife, judgement day, the necessity of certain behaviours to please God etc etc.
     
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    I'd say that would make you very much alike most of the atheist out there. I don't think many of them completely deny Jesus either as a historic persona, they just don't believe there is a God.
     
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    I believe that there is enough evidence to suggest that Jesus Christ existed.

    Not sure if you're still a Christian or not if you believe in Christ's teachings but that he wasn't the son of any God. Very good question that. We need Willy on this one possibly!!
     
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    Careful NY, in Col and myself you have probably got the 2 most pro US posters on this board!
     
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  10. ForestG

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    Christians believe Jesus was the son of God and he died to save us all. If you believe in him as a Prophet as Muslims do, thats fine. You must admit then that his death was a waste of time.
     
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    I think that's a perfectly reasonable stance to be honest.

    There is a certain amount of historic evidence that Jesus did exist, but I haven't seem any that proves he was the son of a God.
     
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    I don't want to be Stan. Semantics I suppose - just asking whether you have have to believe in God to be a Christian.

    I'm a Bartonian.
     
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  13. ForestG

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    I have no current facts but I dont think posting out of date figs which are changing year by year helps you views.
     
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  14. ForestG

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    I wonder how many so called Christians also believe in Darwins views!. That would be an interesting poll.
     
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    Creationism is fundamentalist Christianity.
     
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    I actually view the term Christian as to mean well meaning, kind, helpful to others etc etc. In other words, what most of us would aspire to be like I suppose.

    I know it all stems from (supposedly) God's teachings, but these days I wonder if more and more people try to live a "Christian" way of life without actually believing in God? Really good question I think.
     
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    That's how I see the term too Col.
     
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    I remember Prof Brian Cox describing Creationists who believe that the World was only 10,000-20,000 years old as "simply wrong". To fly in the face of so much scientific evidence seems to me to be beyond just wrong.
     
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    Jews believe the world is less than 6000 years old!
     
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    Then they're wrong too!!
     
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