I'm 100% agree with that.If Kenny can improve Jay Spearing,then he will have no trouble whatsoever improving Henderson.Now Jay Spearing is not the most talented midfielder in the world,but Kenny knows what his strengths are. He's gritty and he's competitive and for a little fella,He's got an enormous heart.Kenny knows in the heat of the battle that he can depend on ''Wee Jay'' as he calls him.When you need fighters,fancyness goes out the window,and you need battlers,and Kenny knows he can depend on Spearing to provide that.
how can you put Modric and Henderson in the same league.......HR is right Modric is worth twice as much
I honestly don't see what Henderson's attributes are. Is he just a typical English box-to-box midfielder with a "good engine"? Or is there more to him than that?
I was comparing stats and thats what players are judged on...performances.Both scored the same number of goals and Henderson provided more assists. So is Modric really worth double what Henderson is?
I don't think any of us are saying Henderson is better than Modric, I think he is trying to say almost every footballer is overpriced theese day's and if you look at the end product from both of theese player's then Henderson's end product is actually better while Modric is 5 year's older and twice Henderson's value, it's actually a very good point. I know football is not really about stat's but for all Modric's fancy little turn's and passes I was amazed to hear that Henderson was more productive last season.
Harry's twitchometer get's worse when somebody try's to buy one of his best player's, I think that also make him spout verbal diarrhoea.
he's obviously been bought for the future but surely our 1st objective should be to get into the top 4, question is is he the player to get us there ? i'll reserve judgement on if its a bad call when all the transfers have been completed.
Well Steve Bruce trusted him in pretty much as many games he was fit for, playing him both on the right and in the middle, for the second season running and all before his 21st birthday. That's pretty significant when 'huge talents' being linked with Utd etc like Rodwell are in and out of the team. He created the joint 3rd most number of chances in the league. Perhaps if Sunderland had not sold their top goalscorer and suffered injuries to most of their other forwards those chances created would have been assists. He was also playing alongside the likes of Steed Malbranque who had 44 shots without scoring (worst rate in the league). Sunderland as a team had a huge dip in form. They lost their star striker and had a horrific injury crisis and were in free fall. People relying on a young attack-minded player to be the one to pull them out of that are asking a lot. His form was so good Bruce and others were raving about him, he earned his cap, then that one bad game for England was an excuse for everyone to get the knives out. Here is a a thread from the Official Man Utd website halfway through last season: http://community.manutd.com/forums/p/136728/1261986.aspx "henderson is a huge talent and it would be great to see him as a potential successor to scholes" "should get a call as soon as possibile. the only reason this is his first goal (nearly two) is that he's playing out of position. he was class in every game, and today he showed his real worth." "I really hope we do all we can to sign this lad he is a brilliant young player and is English aswell which is good." "Henderson has definately got a bright future ahead of him and I expect him to be a full England International in the coming years, " These are a quick paste of some of the posts. They talk about his performances already, his potential, the fact that he's being played out of position but still doing a good job, and the fact that a manager like Alex Ferguson can get the best out of him. Funny what a bad end of the season for your club and signing for Liverpool can do to your reputation. Oh and don't forget the significance of 3 u21 internationals at the end of the season. Wonder how many of these Utd fans have changed their mind very quickly?
Skrtels Nips. I reckon they thought Phil Jones was rubbish last season too. They also go on about Andy Carroll this and Andy Carroll that.Andy Carroll scored more league goals than ''The White Pele''.And he played less games too.''The White Pele'' scored 11,Andy Carroll scored 13. In 1992,Kenny got laughed at for signing a non prolific Geordie from Southampton for £3.5 million.What was his name again? and how did that turn out?.That non prolific Geordie was the same age as Andy Carroll,the same build as Andy Carroll and was as much a handful as Andy Carroll.
Yeah spot on mate. Bound to irk them though when they no longer have free reign on the top British talent. Also we now all have the belief that Clarke will improve any defensive qualities tenfold and Dalglish will improve every quality tenfold. Our players will eventually stop getting this kind of criticism, as with Kenny that kind of crap doesn't stick, he just deflects it back. I'm spoilt with Kenny, with him around it just feels like everything is going to be ok.
Skrtels Nips Excellent response. There is a reason why Kenny deflects criticism.He himself cost a record fee when the then ''Prince of Parkhead'' joined Liverpool in 1977.He was asked was he there to replace Kevin Keegan.His response was ''Nobody could replace Kevin Keegan,I'm a completely different player to Kevin Keegan''.He was right.He was and Kevin Keegan said so himself that ''Kenny was 10 times better than him''. So thats the reason why Kenny will deflect any criticism Andy Carroll gets.He's been the record signing,He's made record signings. Kenny manages like a fan,he scores every goal,He heads away every clearance,He gets upset when keepers make saves against us,he rues missed chances.The funniest thing I've seen was when the KOP sang ''Happy Birthday'' to him he just gave them a wave.The man is remarkable.He just brings out the best in players and fans alike.
[Our players will eventually stop getting this kind of criticism, as with Kenny that kind of crap doesn't stick, he just deflects it back. I'm spoilt with Kenny, with him around it just feels like everything is going to be ok.[/QUOTE] you right skrtels....i love the way if anyone says anything about our club Kenny just shoots them down with one dismissive little comment. he's brilliant.
Correct. He's the ''Prince of Piss-takes'',''The master of mickey-taking''.If you want proof,Ian Rush and Steve Nicol were two of his victims.Not forgetting the media who he's tied up in knots for years.He's also put people down when they've vexed him and his put-down of Ferguson was classic.To tell someone that a six week old child talks more sense than they do is brilliant.He meant every word of it too.And his response to Man United fans bragging about 19 titles.His response was ''Come back when you OWN the European Cup''Now thats what you call a put-down.They still have to find a response.
by big concern around henderson is what happens if he continues these poor performances and is seen as a flop. is kenny the kind of manager that would simply not play him and put him up for transfer (im talking a couple years at least- enough time to judge him)? how would he be able to justify the price tag, who would take responsibilty for the purchase comoli or kenny? we have seen in recent years players w have bought and kept playing them every game either in the hope they come good or simply because we spent so much money on them the manager in the owners eyes would look bad not playing them. zenden/morientes/dossena/poulsen etc all got loads of games and cost a few million. how much worse would it be if they cost 20 million and had little sell on value? i hope he comes good and is worth the money but i have never rated him and he hasnt played well since last year, big risk, possibly a job costing risk as someone may have flushed £20 million of the owners money away. comoli has a repuatation for wasting money. of all the players we could of bid for for £20 million. young,hazard,mata,chamberlian + wickham, arda turan, etc we decide to spend it on an unproven youngster who plays bad more than he plays well. lets hope we have a decent transfer budget this summer or else we could find ourselves with a worse squad than last year out maxi in henderson so far i would say we are a worse team especailly since maxi was first team and henderson isnt better than mereles or gerrard and the players we are linked with dont give me much hope. i know not being in the top 4 makes it harder for us to attract the better players but whilst we are spending big on average players man utd are getting players like A young, man city look set to be getting sanchez while chelsea hope for modric, i fear the gap between the top 5 and the rest of us is only going to get bigger. comoli needs to go and kenny needs to be 100% in control of our transfers, i really can't see kenny wanting to spend that kind of money on henderson who isnt even good enough to get into our first team.
Comolli has a reputation for wasting money? Most of Spurs best signings were made by Damien Comolli. He signed Berbatov for £10 million and Spurs made a £21 million profit.He signed Bale for £10 million and he's now worth £30 million.The reason why Spurs fans don't like Comolli is because he worked for Arsenal.He was hugely successful for Arsenal.He found Gael Clichy in the French 3rd division aged just 17 and made him a premiership star.And thats just one example. Wakka are you serious or do you just like spouting this mindless drivel thats not based on any real fact.
Right, first of all, Maxi hasn't left, and how does one in one out massively affect the squad? It's not as if we've sold Pepe Reina for Peter Shilton is it? Secondly, you say two years is enough time to judge someone, yet you've judged Henderson on his last few games, which were played out of position. Thirdly, Poulsen has 12 apps for us, and Dossena 18 in two years. How is that loads of games? Finally, you seem to be under the impression that the 20m spent on Henderson is the only 20m we're gonna spend. You call him unproven, yet you list Wickham, a CHAMPIONSHIP player, and Chamberlain a LEAGUE ONE player, in your list of alternatives. Besides which, none of the others have any PL experience either apart from young. Btw, Henderson has more potential sell on value than young, who is 5 years older. Also, the 3rd paragraph sounds more like Chelsea than us. Frankly, based on your above opinions, I don't hesitate to ignore you in future.
he wasted just as much money on players though bentley 17 million woodgate 7.5 million bent 16.5 million zokora 6.5 million gomez 8.5 million 56 million on just those few and lets not forget Adel Taarabt, Cesar Sanchez, Chris Gunter, Dorian Dervitte, Gilberto, Hossam Ghaly, , Mido and Ricardo Rocha. etc im not saying comoli hasnt signed any decent players but over his last 3 years at spurs he spent something like 170million and out of all those players he bought maybe 3-4 are actually good players. he buys more flops than good signings. hell give me the money to spend, i can buy a load of random players im sure a few will come good.
How much was bent sold for? a fee rising to 16.5 million. Also now an England regular and recently sold for up to 24m. How much was Zokora sold for? around 8 million. Woodgate has injury problems - that doesn't reflect his quality. Gomez was also proven at the highest level, having played for PSV in the CL semis and putting in a good performance. Out of that list, only Bentley has really represented wasted money.
How much was bent sold for? 16 million. How much was Zokora sold for? around 8 million. Woodgate has injury problems - that doesn't reflect his quality. Gomez was also proven at the highest level, having played for PSV in the CL semis and putting in a good performance. Out of that list, only Bentley has really represented wasted money. ................................... bent still flopped regardless zokora still flopped woodgate was a waste of money gomez = how anyone can argue he isnt a flop is beyond me. also highest level = psv? there have been some real dross reaching later rounds of champs league but that said a goalkeeper isnt going to make a massive difference. i dont really see the point of this post tbh
