How much would we get for this bag of ****?

HBA
Marveaux
Jonas
Sammy
Obertan
Gosling
Vuckic

These are the players I think are either utter gash, no longer useful, lazy, unprofessional, or a combination of some or all of those things.

I reckon 9m for the lot at most. Finding takers for any of them will be difficult. Surely someone would take HBA though? Some greek club or something along those lines?

Why is this crap in our squad? I'd rather have 3 good players. Surely the combined wages of that bag of crap would allow us to get 3 half decent players in who could actually add some to our team. Particularly if we also dump the likes of Shola, Ferguson, Amalfitano. This lot don't play and add zero when they do. That is a large part of our current creative force in the squad. No wonder we're ****.

 

Keep the top two - dump the rest but we would be lucky to get £5 Million for all of them.

 

Not allowed. I'm taking a BRS Shola type approach to all free loaders in the squad who don't perform, they have to go. HBA and Marveaux's time is up. The game is up, they've shown themselves to be a pair of bottom feeders stealing a good wage.

I'm sure Beardo would do the job for less money than Pards too. So Pards can go.

If Mike truly wants to streamline our squad and staff, then he needs to do it across the board. No stone left unturned, no **** left to fester.

 

If we get more than 2 million for the lot of them we've done well.

 

Sammy will stay. I'd assume all the others would go. I'm pretty sure Gosling deal is up. I think we'd get around 10 mill for them all. HBA around 5 mill, marveaux 2 mill, pennies for the others. I think that they together would fund 1 player. The wages cleared though is were we'll be most beneficial. I'd assume that group are on close to 200k per week combined. That along with 10mil in transfers should be enough to cover 2 free agents and a siem de jong type.

 

hard to say I like hba played behind striker free roll ..find with a decent striker .we will score and create things ... keep Marveaux play him ..hes not that bad me thinks .


the rest ummm lucky to get 4m

 

If we are pretending a managerial change to Beardsley then I'd keep HBA and Marv if he's happy to be a backup player.

Obertan - no one in this country will want him, no one in France would pay his wages.
Gosling - free
The rest - a few million if we are lucky.

 

Its true I am living in a pretend world where Pards gets booted for Beardo. But then its a pretend world where HBA and Marv are worth a wage and worth keeping. Game is up. If we are going to get a new manager (which looks unlikely) I don't want him lumbered with the same old ****e. And if we are to keep Pards despite his underperformance, then I still don't want him lumbered with the same old ****e.

So how much for the two dog turds? 3m for HBA? 1m for Marv?

 

At the end of the day we'll never know regarding Ben Arfa. When we were playing free flowing football the year we finished 5th Ben Arfa was fantastic for the last 6th months of that season. We then went to complete hoof ball the following season, Ben Arfa had injuries and was rushed back (twice) and had a largely disappointing campaign. This season he does look uninterested but again since January we've been serving up sh*t on a weekly basis and after he won us games against Villa & Fulham he had one bad game and was dropped for the next 5 matches, where as Jonas, Gouffran, Cabaye, Tiote, Santon to name a few are allowed to throw in a month's full of bad performances all in one go but still get picked regardless for the next match.

The fact that the third goal was blamed on Ben Arfa during the game on Saturday (when Colo gifted them the second and I didn't see him getting an earful), the fact Ben Arfa got subbed at Southampton and not Gouffran etc does show there's some kind of mini agenda against Ben Arfa from Pardew and Carver. It's almost like it's Ben Arfa's fault no matter what.

Now of course he's not blameless as he's very incosistent. Just seems to me like either Pardew goes or Ben Arfa goes and unfortunately it's quite clearly going to be Ben Arfa.

 

We're going to have to agree to disagree. I think HBA could have been a very good player for us. He showed it during an extended run of games in the season we finished 5th - once Pardew had finally stopped playing the 100% awful in every game Obertan. He had an injury disrupted campaign last season and this year has looked poor mostly I think due to weight and being used sporadically. I agree that he has not tried hard enough this season and that he has not got himself fit after that bad hamstring injury he had last season - well, that is something that he should be getting a slap for.

Marveaux again has only ever been used here and there and I do not know of a single player who could play at their maximum or keep their spirits up when used like this. Despite this he was our leading assists man last season and along with Cisse helped to keep us from getting relegated.

I'd keep them both and would hope we'd see better from them under Beardsley.

If however our selling them meant we would definitely get Cabella and Grenier then I'd sell them as soon as and hope the new pair were less injury prone and less mentally fragile.

 

Its all just excuses mate, he's ****. Honestly the best we c an come up is a run of games when we finished 5th. Is that the limit of our wishes in a player? He's had 4 seasons. Not **** because he does not have talent, **** because he can't be arsed to harness it. I think Pards time is up but I think HBA's was up some time ago. Turn up fat for professional football once, its a concern but maybe there are some circumstances in your personal life to explain it. Do it time and time again, it doesn't matter how **** the manager is, you do not care.

It shows in his play and it shows in his waistline. It was harsh to single him out when he cost us the third goal. The problem is though I have a degree of sympathy with Carver or taking issue with him because it happens every time the f**ker gets on the pitch. Yes Colo royally screwed up. You know what though, I'll happily forgive him because he is professional, plays well most of the time and never looks like he doesn't care regardless of his desire to leave. I do not want to watch another second of the HBA personal show. He is not a professional and is clueless about the professional game on and off the pitch. Pardew and Carver have been harsh with HBA. However its hardly surprising really.

I keep hearing the cries for Pards to go. I think he has had his 3 seasons and we haven't really progressed regardless of his best players being sold. So he needs to go. However if we are going to limp along with ****s like HBA then its a pointless exercise. The club needs to cut the rot out of the club and actually try to move forward with people who care and are willing. Santon is another. He talks a good game in the paper, he goes over and claps the support, but on the pitch he has a heart like and split pea. He can't defend, he can't cross, get shot.

Honestly after the last few weeks, there is very little on this coaching or playing staff I'd want to retain. Some I accept you have to retain, but I don't want another Shola type situ with likes of HBA, Marv etc. They are bad for the club so just ship them out, get someone in who will earn their wage.

 

And Ryan Gauld?

 

What pathetic club will come in for that wretched abomination Shola when he is off in the summer? I pity whoever does.

 

Until he signs on somewhere else I am assuming the worst. The ****er has seen out more than a decade, what's a season between friends? Of that **** list above I honestly don't think many of them will be elsewhere. They'll be retained and pointed to as "squad" options despite no manager in their right mind picking any of the 7-10 named.

Yes Alan, you should not have picked Gosling against Man U. I'd have rather gone with 10.

 

I could see him going then maybe scoring some fluke goal in Brazil. Then, just as the transfer window is coming to a close and we have bought no f**ker - he comes sliding back in very much like Carlton Cole did at West Ham.

Christ, if that happened I think I would cry myself to death.

 

I think this WILL happen. That is the limit of my faith in this regime now.

 

1st September is literally tipping point I reckon. I mean more perhaps than ever before. If Jim White wraps it up with a last minute loan deal for Antoine Sibierski or Shefqi Kuqi, I don't think SJP will get above 40,000 for the following game.

Seems clear to me, like it or not, that we have the same old purple management strategy as previous. What this means is we have eleven "premium" players who would be considered the first team, players below it or very much sub-par with the optimistic odd one or two from the development side who rarely get a game, because good ol' Al can't really rotate, implement differing tactics, and so on - he can pretty much only pick his strongest eleven and hope for the best.

Next season will probably only serve to highlight this, but assuming this is how it is, how many purples do we currently have? What's the formation we're going to attempt to play? Who's going to be kept, who isn't? Who's wanting to go, who isn't? Of the current purples, I can only really say that Williamson and Gouffran are guaranteed to stay and play. Maybe Anita, but is he a "purple"? Krul, Debuchy, Santon, Coloccini, Sissoko, Tiote, Remy, Cisse all very unlikely to still be here. Some are welcome to disappear, others won't be adequately replaced and it's a joke that the "statement" claims one or two will come in, given we've already lost Cabaye and all but lost Remy on top of the fact we need goddam players to stand still.

 

Worst scenario is keeping most of our fairly average squad seeing as Charnley has said we would be looking at adding 1 or 2 players each season. I dont hold out much hope for nxt season mind you offer Ashley 17th place and he`ll snap your hand off.

 

Current purples would be Krul, Debuchy, Williamson, Coloccini, Sissoko, Tiote, Anita, Remy. Of those I think only Williamson, Sissoko and Anita are certain to stay. I think Debuchy and Remy are certain to go.The rest I think probably will stay but it would not surprise me at all to see Krul in Italy, Colo back in Arie and Tiote picked up after a good season. Even Sissoko I could see ending u leaving if someone wanted him.

However I'd imagine Mike also considers HBA, Gouffran, Cisse, Santon, De Jong and MYM to be premium players.

 

My first reaction was...



and then it hits home...







he is a purple...









and we are that ****.






Mike Williamson would probably struggle to get a game for Sunderland, and that's saying something.