Spot on. All this 'best ever owner' nonsense will blow up in their faces when it inevitably turns around on the pitch. We can't keep improving forever and we will start to decline eventually. That's almost certainly going to happen at some point unless there is a major change in our financial situation. The Allams have done, and are doing nothing to address the perilous financial situation at the club and yet people have total faith in them just because the team and SB are doing well. Mind you I'm sure it'll be CTWD's fault if we do eventually get relegated. They implied the poll was biased you know, the cheeky little buggers.
Either that or he was winding you up about something. He been going longer than me and I first went late 70's.
Why is the "best ever owner" description nonsense. I've been a supporter for almost 70 years and other than Harold Needler I can't recall anyone who has done more for the Club. Just look at the results during the Allams tenure. Saved us from possible Administration, promotion from the Championship, 12th in the Premier, hired arguably our best ever Manager, provided the financing to build our best team ever. For decades I've listened to supporters banging on about "why doesn't a Hull based businessman put money into the Club" as a motley crew of southern speculators and others asset stripped Hull City and left us bankrupt and the ground locked. And then the Allams stepped in. They let Bruce run the team and provided the financial backing. And here we are on the verge of a Cup Final and maybe Europe. And what does Mr.Allam get from the CTWD crowd. Insults, vicious slander, petty accusations of rigged polls with no evidence...cheeky little buggers. Take a deep breath PLT. You're a young lad....enjoy the day. Carpe Diem!!
You do realise he has loaned the club money and guaranteed existing debt don't you? He will want it back. I'm surprised at how many people Allam has hoodwinked. Gullible.
The point is, that you shouldn't judge their tenure until it's over. How many people thought Bartlett and Duffen were demi gods for taking us to the Premier League? It all masked a shocking financial crisis, one that could so very easily be repeated under the Allams. Football is fickle, and PLT replied to my post regarding our league position blinding many fans to the unstable business supporting it. You have obviously followed football for many years, it very easily changes for the worse and our owners seem to think our playing success will continue, just like Duffen did.
It's nonsense for various reasons, on top of the reasons Muffinthegoat just laid out. Allam's got us into thrice the debt Duffen and Bartlett ever did (and isn't that the reason they were **** owners?), he didn't appoint Steve Bruce at all, Peter Chapman did, the same guy who presided over the January transfers this year. Steve Bruce and the team got us promoted, not the owners. The previous managers showed the signs of being good enough to get promoted even without anything like sufficient funding, but Allam's impatience, irrationality and unwillingness to leave football matters to those who understand the game saw both of them leave prematurely. The Allams are no different, financially, to the other crooks we've had in charge of the club that you mention. They've run up a load of debt and taken out a load of loans in the club's name, which we can't afford to service, let alone pay back. The club is in the best position it's ever been commercially, we get all this free TV money, our wage bill isn't massive and yet we're still losing money. The guy might be good at generator manufacturers but he's demonstrated he hasn't a clue how to run a football club to make a profit. On top of all that, in terms of the way they've treated the fans they are by far the worst owners we've ever had. All the lies, manipulation, blackmail and insults they've thrown at the fans. The lack of celebration to last year's promotion. Every 'official club statement' is increasingly antagonistic to the supporters. They completely resent us. We aren't even working towards the same goal any more. The Allams want to be proven right above all else and if that means the club lose some fans/money then they're fine with that. You need to stop making stuff up Canada. I've already had a pop at you for ignoring all the evidence to suggest the poll was rigged yet now you're directly claiming the evidence doesn't exist. Do you read the posts of those against the name change or just see the general drift and get cross? Do you want to have a serious debate about the evidence surrounding that poll? I'll gladly have that debate but I suspect you don't want to really, you just want to state as fact that there isn't any evidence and it was all above board, and not be questioned by ruffians like me.
This is my first - and last - posting on this irrelevant issue. Voting result: Yes to Hull Tigers and the Allams 2565 (17.1%) No to Hull Tigers 2517 (16.7%) Couldn't give a monkey's grunt about the whole boring issue 9951 (66.2%) Now let's all just concentrate on the football please.
It's such a shame that in what should be one of the best weeks to be a Hull City fan ever this bollocks is still getting repeated. I wish that tomorrow would see the end of it, and us to remain Hull City AFC forevermore, but it looks like these two are going to continue to antagonise our fans for a little bit longer. One thing that has concerned me about the results that no one's mentioned is that of the 18000 pass holders, 15000 (odd) were eligible to vote, meaning we only have 3000 pass holders under 16. I wonder what the club are doing to address this?
I think you'll find that's the case at most Premier League clubs, crowds at all football matches are progressively getting older.
Allam made it quite clear, both in the way the vote was phrased and with the comments about âthe silent majority coming forwardâ, that this was a ballot to show that the fans want a name-change. 9,000 eligible voters didnât take up their opportunity to have a say. Some, like me, didnât do so because of the farcical and frankly insulting nature in which it was carried out. But you cannot speak for the entirety of the abstainers (Warnockâs Dilemma) â if anyone can cite their abstention in favour of their argument, it is CTWD. Less than 17% of eligible voters voted in favour of the change, after all. Surely you agree that the fairest way of gauging the name which people would most like us to have is to ask the question: âwhat is your preferred name for the club? Hull City Association Football Club OR Hull Tigersâ. No stipulations, etc. So many people have already had their minds poisoned by Allamâs deception, regarding improbable walkouts and spurious red herrings about relegation to the Conference, that the validity of even this poll would be questionable. The poll we got didnât even ask a question! It just gave three options â one of which was so flagrantly leading even Robert Mugabe would scoff, and another (the ânot botheredâ option) which was there solely to draw people away from giving a proper opinion and water down the result in case the adjudicator didnât get the brown envelope. And of course an âapatheticâ third option is very easy to twist into something that more befits the questionerâs narrative. Frankly, we all know that the result is irrelevant, not least because the ballot was [RIGHTLY] condemned as biased on the day it was first released. The FA must surely be laughing their heads off at Allam if he thinks this makes a difference.
that is all it comes down to .. they have said and drawn the line in the sand.. do you support or not ... name change is a token to them ... majority support .. end of story for indepenant tribunial ... look at the new leeds owner or the "Salford 92" .. bye bye
All the evidence suggests there's a majority against it. Only someone who wanted to believe the results of the poll would pay any notice to the conclusion Allam tells us to make from it.
Nope The truth is how ever you try to spin it is the majority don't give a hoot and could not be bothered to vote. After all those against it had the valid NO to Hull Tigers choice. Even I voted NO.
The majority didn't vote but their votes can't be interpreted in any way. So it isn't about 'couldn't be bothered'. They didnt' vote and they aren't counted. The vote was 42.8% against and 43.7% for. Those who didn't vote aren't counted. But that doesn't matter anyway as this poll isn't valid. The FA know it's not valid and any professional or legal organisation would know it's not valid. Out of all the polls, the clubs is the only one that doesn't address the issue of the name change directly and therefore any responses can't be used to represent feeling about the subject. People had the option to vote no but only on the understanding it would be taken as a show of protest against the owner. That made no difference to me, and obviously you weren't scared into anything but many will have.
Why would anyone dead against the name change not vote no. To be honest I thought the no vote would win by a land slide. All very confusing . Even a supporter of AA like me voted NO. Looking forward to the FA saying NO. Then beating the Blades. The Allams better accept the FA decision because I'm that sick of it they can f. off if they don't. Edit Yup I see that...scared of him leaving.... Grrr Only they just might end up thinking thank f he did IF we get someone better.
Why have all the other fans polls come back saying differently? Why do they read the majority want to remain HCAFC and not become Hull Tigers? Look on here, the OSC, the local Football Association, on other city fans sites.
