The most significant thing about the ballot was that you had to give your name address and season ticket number to the club. Some people won't have voted because of that. Some people wouldn't have voted because they thought it was a farce and some people didn't vote because they didn't care. A majority of those who voted didn't vote for the name change and Assem Allam's leadership because that only got less than 50% of the vote. A small minority (which included block votes and maybe staff) voted yes. It is possible that a majority of season ticket holders voted no. Any impact of the name change would be long term, especially if AFC Hull City was formed and Hull Tigers got relegated. As I've been told many times things change. FC United of Manchester have just raised £8 million to build their own stadium and attract 1,000 plus supporters to most home games currently played in Bury. They walked away from Manchester United, the most successful club in the world, and prospered. An example to us all if we need it.
Actually you are in reality not far off with that. It was a pointless exercise, poorly executed and ill conceived. We could debate and breakdown the result for years to come and it would change nothing. Assem Allam will go when he wants to. Supporters will still support. Tradition counts for so little in peoples lives and more people in Hull probably spent more on voting for Luke Campbell on Dancing on Ice than the £2 it would cost to join CTWD.
Just one thing Obi, every general election voting paper is registered to the voter who made the vote. Nothing is secret. Well done for becoming involved. It is supporters like you who do at least try, who will enable supporters to be a part in the future of football.
Not true, CTWD attended a second meeting with the FA and presented them with details that the vast majority of Hull City fans are not privy too. This despite your assurances prior to this meeting.
CTWD did not attend a second meeting, we only met with the FA once, after which the FA asked for more information and everything discussed in the FA meeting was subject to a NDA.
Thanks for clearing that up. I understand fully that the further information you gave to the FA is now subject to a non disclosure order. Best keep it to yourself eh?
The exact same comments apply equally to the No votes too. Both "benefited" from block votes. At least in my posts on this subject I've made that clear, you choose to ignore it completely. Why is that I wonder? It is equally possible that a majority of season ticket holders voted yes.
Club sponsors were schmoozed by the Allams prior to the ballot. That isn't a secret. It was on Look North for crying out loud.
No voters voted in blocks of 10 too. That isn't a secret either, that's on here and CI for crying out loud.
There's someone on CI who has a box, but he felt unable to vote No, due to being an Allam Marine supplier. I can't remember anyone else.
Can you back this up at all? You're always asserting that CTWD have been aggressive and as bad as Allam. Well give it some substance then. What exactly is it they've done that supports this point? Or is it just your usual generic anti-CTWD nonsense because you're a bit intimidated by the fans more passionate than you? Agreed, yes. But anyone can see the glaring misrepresentation of the poll. It asks one question and then he's used the answer to make a different point. The ones that don't care are the ones that don't care about making a noise at games or doing away matches either. Best ignored. Every club has them and I reckon it'll be a majority at most clubs. Don't make stuff up. Only Assem Allam has talked about a silent majority. You're using his bullshit words to try and attack CTWD by attributing the quote to them! You don't understand the situation from where you are, that's not your fault but ffs don't pretend to. Or better yet jump on a plane when possible, come to a match and tell everyone what a minority they are. Sing your Hull Tigers songs and see how many join in with you. That would help you to understand the feeling on the issue from the fans. It hasn't been laid to rest. What you're ignoring, just like Happy, TygerTyger, Calamty, Chazz, markkc and Patty are all ignoring (surprise, surprise) is that the poll was a shambles from day one. We've consistently pointed this out. CTWD raised their concerns formally to the club and the club refused to address them. That was their opportunity to validate the poll and they didn't. The only reason they'd do that is because they've got something to hide. This debate will go on forever as long as the usual suspects ignore the chief argument being made by the other side, because it doesn't suit them and they'd prefer to forcefully insist that the poll proves something. Another made-up anti-CTWD fantasy. Allam actually said that yet you're trying to attribute it to CTWD and use it to have a go at them.
I think you will find that the last time John Prescott stood for election in 2005, he received 56.8% of the vote, which is a better endorsement than the pro-name changers!!
With a majority of 48 its not a question of block votes being available for the supporters of all three positions but a question of who benefited the most. As you say we don't know how the season ticket holders voted as the results didn't provide that detail.
Any explanation for all the missing votes yet ? I thought we were told 7000 had voted ? What a complete ****-up this has been Lets hope that when the FA say no we can all move on
Just think how much better position we'd of been if the Allam's had spent the last 8 months building our brand as Hull City in the local the community and around the world. Instead they thought it would be better pursuing some bizarre name change because of a vendetta against the local council.
Fans see the team doing well and think that the business is also doing well. There is a very big difference and many are blinded by our league position and have short memories. Our owners are not interested in pursuing the one thing that even they have said will achieve long term financial stability, and have no idea how to market a football club either at home or abroad. This will only dawn on many people when we are struggling. Think of WBA and Swansea last season. Can you imagine the guffaws if their owners had suggested changing their names to enable them to compete with Spurs and Everton? How ridiculous would they appear if they were this season called West Bromwich Throstles and Swansea Swans? The worst thing about all of this is that supporter is set against supporter. I never thought it possible. Going to watch City is no longer enjoyable, it will be a fitting end if my last game is at Wembley for an FA Cup final.
