Actually I think the only team that might challenge them are McLaren if they get their **** together, because they're the ony ones with the Mercedes and the funds for R & D, but their carlooks ****, again. I think the inherent designs of the 'engines' make it near impossible for a non merc team to challenge competitively over race distance. The Mercedes real superiority isn't that noticable on a single flying lap because everything is fully charged, it's when the Renaults and Ferrari' have deployed all their electrical power and Merc, deploying the same amount, still have half left that it really shows. Mercedes ar going to walk away with the WDC this season, next season, well, I just hope Honda build something special
Vettel...? Just watched the highlights and that was quality stuff. Have the other races been like that? If so, I may just start watching it again PS...when are they installing the micro chips to make the engines sound like v12's...?
Naah. First two were duller than dishwater. Bahrain came out of the blue. As for the chips... Yes please!!!
Couldn't McLaren just hand over all the mercedes "engine" (or whatever it is they're called now) data to Honda, and Honda just copy the Merc engine?
they could, but I'm pretty sure Honda will see the idea and find a way to improve upon it, so could Cosworth, which would be more interesting for me, Caterham Cosworth with the Cossie being the best, now that would be something to see
Would anybody feel any better of it were Caterham and Marussia duking it out at the front for wins? I know I would....once it is real wheel to wheel racing to the finish line.
Silly question for you knowledgables but as a complete techno noob, how different from the Mercedes team engine is the one used by McLaren/Force India/Williams? Secondly, just 3 engine suppliers in F1 until Honda join next year. Who else would be interesting and what are the barriers that stop engine suppliers coming to the party?
The engines Mercedes supply to the other teams are (or at least should be) the same spec as the works Mercedes team. They will certainly have the same type of turbo setup which is unique to Mercedes engines this year. The main thing that stops anyone else coming into F1 is cost. We may see more manufacturers suppyling engines with the new formula, but it makes sense to supply as many teams as possible so they can sell the engines and get some money back on the development costs. If just one team uses an engine, all the costs are down to that team and the engine supplier so it becomes very expensive. I'd imagine Ford will come back with an 'Ecoboost' V6, probably in conjunction with Cosworth and the VW/Audi rumours still won't go away. A lot of car money is in Korea, so could a Kia/Hyundai happen!?
There can only be so much that could be held back. McLaren would have been told about the turbo setup as it would change how they approach the cooling, so even if Mercedes don;t give them only the minimum amount of technical information, Honda would have been aware of Mercedes solution and may have had time to incorporate into their design for 2015 (if rumours that the engine didn't already exist in 2013 are not true)
I think we should put a Not606 engine on the market. It will be powered by the strongest fuel known to man. WUM power! but just like the Not606 forum it will be built strong and very reliable. We have experienced blow ups in the past but the persistence and dedication of our team will insure our product is #1
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I'd like to think they will get a challenge at some point from 1 of the Merc supllied teams, but I doubt it. I think RB will be the only one who will challenge them and may have a better chance at certain tracks that are less reliant on outright power.
This... The 'trick turbo layout' triggers a series of critical performance benefits. A reduction in turbo lag means less power needs to be be harvested from the car's ERS unit to keep the turbine spooled off throttle. That in turn improves the efficiency of the car, with more power reserved for performance gain and less fuel consequentially used up. Mercedes' customer teams all have the same advantage. However, because McLaren, Williams and Force India only took delivery of their power units relatively recently, they have had less time to work the layout into their respective car designs.
Kind of under the radar but the teams are testing at Bahrain today and tomorrow: please log in to view this image Stefan ‏@stefan_f1 1h McLaren testing without the 'butterfly' rear suspension mounted on the MP4-29.#F1 #TechF1 pic.twitter.com/hWxrxfyNqt please log in to view this image
All 11 Formula One teams have remained at the Bahrain International Circuit for two days of testing following Sunday’s race at the track. McLaren were originally planning to run Oliver Turvey and Stoffel Vandoorne during the test, but made a late decision to put Kevin Magnussen in the car for both days. Three teams will take turn conducting tyre testing for Pirelli during the two days of running. Caterham are doing so with Robin Frijns today, Mercedes and Williams will do so tomorrow. Pirelli are evaluating new developments for their 2014 tyres at this test. [TABLE="class: thin"] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TH="bgcolor: transparent"]Team[/TH] [TH="bgcolor: transparent"]Tuesday 8th April[/TH] [TH="bgcolor: transparent"]Wednesday 9th April[/TH] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: transparent"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Red Bull[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Daniel Ricciardo[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Daniel Ricciardo[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Mercedes[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Nico Rosberg[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Lewis Hamilton*[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Ferrari[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Fernando Alonso[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Fernando Alonso[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Lotus[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Pastor Maldonado[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Romain Grosjean[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]McLaren[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Kevin Magnussen[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Kevin Magnussen[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Force India[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Nico Hulkenberg[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Sergio Perez[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Sauber[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Sergey Sirotkin[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Giedo van der Garde[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Toro Rosso[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Daniil Kvyat[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Jean-Eric Vergne[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Williams[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Valtteri Bottas[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Felipe Nasr*[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Marussia[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Max Chilton[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Jules Bianchi[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Caterham[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Robin Frijns*[/TD] [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Marcus Ericsson[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] *Pirelli tyre testing
I believe any new F1 engine supplier will have to "copy" the split turbo design of Mercedes simply to stay level, its a brilliant unique concept, it's so obvious now. These type of innovations only come to fruition when there is the opportunity, as now, with the F1 change in F1 engine reg's. Most if not all road car manufacturers would probably not develop such a unique design due to the costs, so we have to thank Mr Toad for this evolution. I don't really see how Mercedes are going to be caught by Renault or Ferrari, I hope Honda have something up their sleeve otherwise its FFS Shame about the lack of noise level though.
