Classic. So you accuse me of assumption only to back that up with an assumption that you bet Levy regrets it. It is just one example and I simply can't be arsed to list them all. Been down that road several times. You know, it is okay to disagree on something Spurf so why you are getting upetty about it is beyond me. It's just bloody football. But as you say, "there is lttle point in having the debate" because you despise fact that there are some fans who have an opposing view to you on a Chairman that you clearly feel can do little wrong. I thought it was a discussion board. Seems I was mistaken so I'll leave it be and get back to work.
As much as I have issues with Levy (and ones I share with you Fla), calling him lousy is slightly OTT, as its more ENIC and Levy have done a great job in building the club up to a certain level but with football we want progression so we can't call Levy lousy just because they refuse to adjust their policy to reach a level higher then top four, as much as it would be great. Its frustrating and at times makes us want to call for their head as we want success, we want to build on what we have achieved and we want to have a season like the scousers, we want to be back in the champions league, we want some excitement about the club but we also want the club to be healthy and free from danger of debt so you have to balance out the pros/cons of Levy/Enic and you then see both sides. The sensible side and the passionate side. The ones who are happy with Levy and the ones who want us to take a greater risk but Levy clearly does things with good intentions, even if he makes poor decisions and usually decisions because he trusts the judgement of the wrong people.
Tis fair comment to ask whether how Levy acts on the managerial front is undoing all the undoubted good work that has been done on the wage bills, player sales (and I don't mean just the mega deals) , building a core long-term squad that can regularly take a CL slot for one of the Sugga Daddy FCs or Sky 4 to the last game of the season etc.
Well you said Levy should've known how AVB would operate which I took to mean he should have expected dull football. Apologies if I misinterpreted but that's in part what I was contesting, as I said at Porto he had the team free scoring and racking up the records in the process. You could dismiss that season as much as you could dismiss his season with Chelsea.
Upetty! You thought it was a discussion board! Yes so did I which is why I am discussing it. More assumptions on your part, this time about me and they are all wrong. As I have descibed a number of errors under Levy's tenure I clearly don't believe he can do no wrong, I just don't happen to share your view that he is the root of all our problems. I despise the fact that some fans have an opposing view? That is not only wrong it is unfair and without foundation. Why would I be on a board like this if I did not want to hear different views. The very reason I pick up on your comment Flaspur is because you have a different view to me. What would be the point in coming all the time to say 'I agree with that' I have to say that in my view you are unfair with your assesment of Levy just as you are unfair with your assesment of me. Would ypou prefer that I did not comment on your comments?
I don't think that anybody disputes that Levy has put the club on a sounder financial footing. But at some cost to our footballing success. It is his managerial appointments that are at question here, which have been almost exclusively disastrous. For me, it is semantics to debate whether these were decisions of the board, or of Levy alone. He is the chairman, and the buck has to stop with him.
The whole sentence i wrote is ( If you are going to base your whole argument on a past cock up then there is lttle point in having the debate because there is no argument I agree with you it was an apalling decision.) I agrree with you on the cock up ie we have no debate. That is my point, sorry if I put it badly so it is not clear. What I am in effect saying is pick another past cock up.
I'd just like to add that the disagreements are, in part, what I like about this site. Over the years we've had this board I must've disagreed with everyone on here at somepoint. The best way to deal with it is not to take the disagreements too seriously. If someone's offended you or upset you chances are they didn't mean it. There's certainly not any egos on here trying to get the better in the argument all the time, we take the flak in good humour. For example, I really like how Boss' unpopular early criticism has turned into an ongoing joke as Boss mocks with Bale comparisons and others giving it back whenever Chadli has a good game
I don't think he should necessarily go, Spurf. However, I do think he should step aside from making the kind of decisions in which his judgement has been proven faulty - On more than one occasion.
Gotcha. I have a headache now before watching Spurs so I think I'll call it a day. Finally someone talking some sense! (No offence Spurf )
We all love Spurs, and we are all desperate for Spurs to do well; and what has frustrated all of us is the fact that, since Jol laid the first seeds of hope that we may be building our way to regular top 4 footy, we're really no closer. Yes, we had that one good season under Redknapp, where we acquitted ourselves very well in the CL, but nearly all of us, to a man, berated Levy for not seizing on the opportunity to strengthen the squad at that time. At best, he let us stand still. Now, we have clearly gone backwards. We each have our own views on why that has happened and who is to blame for it, and, in the main, the fierce divides that seem to have opened up between us have been debated in a fairly civil manner - certainly no where near as vitriolic as the open warfare going on over at the Gooners' board. The "divide" to which I refer is that regarding Levy's accountability in all of this. I rather sense that those who are keen to let Levy off the hook are fast becoming a very small minority. Even when (no if) he sacks Sherwoodie, most of us will not fall for it, unless he finally brings in a manager with a proven and established record at the top of European football. However, it's vital for the health and vitality of this board that we do have dissenting voices, or even one dissenting voice. Let's continue to be civil about that, and not descend into the Gooner-arena of launching personal attacks on posters for daring to hold an opposing view.
OK but I don't think ANYBODY can get these footballing decisions right. Look at the PL and tell me who has as I said before United & Arsenal got lucky. There is a case for the chairman of Everton perhaps who picked Moyes success and now Martinez great so far but who else has come close?
Yes, but to paraphrase Oscar Wilde, "to lose one manager is unfortunate. To lose two strikes me as carelessness" and that's just this year. In other words, when it comes to appointing managerial failures, Levy is a serial offender. The only two that he has acquired that have been remotely of any use were 'arry and Jol. Both of whom he got by default after having to sack yet another expensive mistake.
Yep and let 's not forget, Joe Lewis put his hands in his pockets last summer because he thought we could seriously mount a title challenge this season. How soon that went up in smoke and here we are, discussing potentially our third manager in less than 12 months. Joe Lewis may not spend like that ever again after this season of managerial calamities!
Levy messes up in appointing managers ... his 2 successes were Jol...which was luck and Redknapp which was a great choice... Hoddle was a foreseeable mess (his poor man management was well documented by then), ramos and santini were farcical decisions and avb was a serious risk not worth taking...sherwood is a pointless an appointment as pleat was a decade ago... This is levys problem...and the decision re our management should be removed from him but we are a properly managed club now which is a huge improvement on what went before. We are a top 5 club by and large..8.5, 5, 12 and carling cup, 8, 4, 5, 4, 5 are our last 8 seasons....prior to that we we had 1 8th place finish in the previous 13 seasons! We have played in europe in 7 out of the last 8 seasons...prior to this our seasons ended in march ... unless we were fighting relegation. I dont want levy out ... I just dont want him choosing our managers
Sorry but it's easy to say what Levy has done wrong in terms of picking managers but it's not so easy to offer an alternative. I ask again WHO has any success at picking managers apart from possibly Bill Kenwright of Everton. Even his choice Moyes is not having an easy time at OT with many calling for his head. Easy to moan but what is your alternative?
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