really think the sniping should be removed from this thread i found out the relevant info i asked about after trawling through the ****e , i made arrangements at work so i can attend even happier theres a bar !!! Last question i dont think it was answered , do i just bring my CTWD Membership card ??
Early in this thread, someone (OLM, I think) said either m'ship card, bracelet or letter of welcome (again, I think!). Check it out - probs on page 1 - 3.
You seem to think CTWD are run by a couple of madcap despots, who intend to swallow up all other City fan groups, gain official recognition from the club and then work on a plan to overthrow the current Allam regime and take control for themselves. Iâm sorry to break it to you, dear, but club ownership doesnât really work like that. Unless CTWD is headed by Scrooge McDuck and Richie Rich, theyâll need thousands of other like-minded City fans to âchip inâ with several-thousand pounds of their own cash to even attempt to purchase a stake (which can, of course, be refused by whoever owns the club at the time). Even if that were to happen, though, I fail to see the issue. Not only are you [without rhyme or reason] arguing that a takeover attempt is inevitable, but you have yet to explain why it would be a bad thing anyway. I understand youâre nothing but a contrarian, but Iâd nevertheless be amused to hear your response. This reminds me of a comment I read on an Independent article a few-years back, about Nick Griffin appearing on Question Time and the protests outside BBC studios: âThese fascists should be banned from airing their vile views to the publicâ Few who say such things are capable of grasping the irony.
No I'm not. CTWD will never get recognition from the club, I'm fairly certain that's something we both agree on. I was forecasting that CTWD will ingest the other group(s) (Not the OSC btw) but then because the Allams will never deal with them, they'll be having a rebrand, a new name, to attempt to be more successful. That's funny, surely you see that? I was also pointing that that this club site should never have threads where other Hull City fans are banned from posting because they don't have a membership band or card. If CTWD wants a CTWD only forum, they're perfectly at liberty to create one, somewhere else. Why is that wrong? For the record, CTWD haven't asked, directly, for that, it was a suggestion from one of their supporters, who also happens to be a Mod on here that I was responding directly to. This site actually has the option of creating private groups, they could use that. Post on an open forum though, and anyone can, and should be able to respond to it. That wasn't me who said that, nor would I. I'm not quite sure what point you're trying to make there either. I'd rather people like that spoke out so everyone else can see through the lies and hatred they spread as well as being able to challenge it. The worst thing you can do is to push it underground. Unless you're suggesting that CTWD and its cohorts would be acting like fascists in stopping other people from using some parts of this forum, creating a type of segregation, then sure, I agree, we should fight that.
You have never had a problem responding to anything as far as I can see Happy Tiger , we all know your opinion , we just don't agree with it
I agree that CTWD will never get any official recognition from the club whilst Allam remains owner. I'm pretty sure the name 'City 'Til We Die' was chosen in part because it doesn't restrict itself to the name-change issue alone. I.e. It always left the option of continuation as a local supporters' group 'post-Allam-Tigers' open. The options currently available are paltry, especially the official supporters' club. What is it we have? 1,200 members? That's absolutely ridiculous. It should be five-to-ten times that at least. People don't join OSCs just so that they can say "look how much I love the club - I've just spunked £50 on membership that offers nothing". They need to be enticed. 5% off the **** in the club-shop isn't going to cut it. CTWD already have more members than the OSC, so I'm not sure how much rebranding they'll have to do; particularly, as I've already said, because the name reflects loyalty to the club and not those opposed to the rape of our history. Membership means you care about HCAFC, not that you want to lick Lambrettaman's arse or whatever it is you think. The point I was trying to make was that you are emphasising the fact that this is a forum for 'free debate' as part of your argument against people debating freely. We can debate with you but only where you dictate who says what and how they say it.
You're wrong about the reason for choosing that name, CTWD stated quite clearly at the beginning it was a single issue group, it was only later on they started thinking of other options, so the name was chosen before any consideration was given to trusts etc. Unless you know differently of course? I agree the numbers are ridiculous, both for the OSC and for CTWD. Clearly neither organisation appeals to the majority of the fans. If CTWD wish to interact with the club at any level, they'll have to do it with a different name and mantra, as they currently stand, it won't work. Sure, they can wait until the Allams leave, but they've said they don't want that to happen...unless, again, you know differently? Final point, so my saying this is a free to debate forum, and requesting that restricted participation threads are not created, is me dictating how to debate? Erik, that's ****ed up. I have no issue with them debating anything on here, I have an issue with them restricting who can join in that debate, and if they want a restricted, sterile and controlled debate, they're welcome to do it elsewhere.
Keep up Dutch Them is CTWD supporters, who are mods and have the power to prune threads from non CTWD supporters. No one has been restricted, yet, it was a suggestion that I reacted to from Ricardo. Lets hope it doesn't happen eh?
If anything, the threads were pruned to keep debate open. That needs two sides. No posts have been deleted because they're voicing a proname change opinion. Quite the opposite in fact as has already been stated.
It's clearly not something I'm enforcing (the content of this thread being the evidence), but I suggested having a restricted to members thread for each side to get member input for their work, the idea being they'd work like the FLAG threads did so objecting to restrictions is fine. The "they" is an odd one though, as a non-member I'd be restricting my own posting to the thread but I think I'm being included in the "they".
I'm not suggesting anything HAS been deleted, Ricardo was suggesting a CTWD Only thread wherein anything anti CTWD or contrary to their views would be removed...this really doesn't need discussing any further, I think its been put to bed...
I do find it strange that CTWD are opposing the legitimacy of the Allams poll. Yet their way of having a vote of all its members -1800 to 2000 is to have a show of hands if they attend at a hotel one afternoon!! 200 -300 people turn up at most and that will give them a mandate to form a supporters trust and speak for their 1800-2000 members??
The proposal is to merge with the Tigers Co-op. The new supporters trust will speak for its members which may include all 1800 or so members or it may not. The validity of he club's poll is in question because our names, addresses and seats numbers were required to vote. The ballot boxes and e-mail account were controlled by the club and we had the fiasco of the blank forms.
My proof is not the childlike reasoning skills you assume. 'Rest assured' was not meant as some childlike, patronising statement, but came from knowing as a fact that it wasn't the reason. Sorry I can't / won't tell you more (not the first time I've been in this position). Believe what you like. But you are wrong.
