Are you seriously comparing natural volcanic eruptions to the pollution of the Industrial west? is there no length you will go to, to absolve mankind from his utter trashing of this beautiful planet?
The fastest growing global buisiness is green initiative and taxation of companies and corporations, go figure it out!! the airline pays extra,the corporation pays extra,the oil company pays extra and all the increased costs are swallowed up and passed on to YOU !! NOT THEM!! Its the most beautiful way of screwing the population, wanna save the planet ? stop using oil and making plastics for everything and stop extracting all the natural resources,i dont see any company doing that do you ? all about money and nothing else, the burning question is what do these people want to be with all the money ??
Super eruptions Phil. And has already been mentioned by others the level of CO2 from the oceans. Damn some of these GW nuts would make you believe that CO2 didn't exist in the atmosphere until the industrial revolution.
Phil, please provide evidence that the earth has warmed in the last 20 years. I most certainly can provide evidence that the earth had not warmed in the past 15 years. As NJ says, it's all about sucking the working population dry in the form of another tax I.e. The green tax. If governments/ huge corporations wanted to save the planet why are electric cars so damn expensive to buy etc?
in this country, we pay much more than necessary for polluting, if the taxes levied on pollution werent going on debt interest and other crap we'd be getting more of our power from renewable sources...... as valley said money from taxing emissions is being diverted to other areas of spending, a cynical exploitation of peoples concerns about the environment. as for electric cars, they're still at a point where they're unusable for anything other than short city journeys, they are already subsidised but still probably double or triple the price of a new, more practical petrol car. anyway, cars are much, much more environmentally friendly than years ago, the problem is that more and more are being used, and that public transport is crap, so many have no choice. the earth doesnt care where the CO2 comes from, a new coal fired power station is built in china every week FFS, so whilst hippies slash the tyres of range rovers, they ought to chill the f**k out and look at how hypocritical they are with their own consumption of fossil fuels and the like........
The correlation between CO2 emissions and temperature has been broken for a while. CO2 has continued to rise and the temperature has not. please log in to view this image The IPCC is full of activist. All the top dudes have some sort of green peace or likewise backgrounds. "Green" is a billion dollar industry now. 300,000 years ago there was no man made CO2 and CO2 was lower than now AND the temp was higher, now CO2 is higher than then and the temp lower than back then. Temp has in fact not risen for over a decade, sea ice is increasing, ice caps not receding, but then again what are they not factoring if the data doesn't match their claims, it is the solar activity, Earth is not a closed system, this has been the quietest spell of sun activity for decades. I bet you on that graph at 300,000 years I bet you the sun was very active and that's why there is more CO2 and temp. Our major problems is we've outstripped the planet's ability to scrub CO2 while growing in population and industry we constantly reduce rainforests, aquatic plant life that scrub C02 from the water, has been wiped out, and the natural introduction of methane and CO2 as the ice melts. Now the methane, there's a problem, the amount of that trapped in the ice, if melted, could easily cause a runaway greenhouse affect leaving the planet ending up like Venus or something. The climate change is an incomplete science that is prone to all sciences that seek to prove assumptions, that anything that does not support those assumptions and expectations gets either ignored or purposefully omitted. There was interference with data a few years back as per leaked emails I think, the data was altered before publication. To perform calculations on climate change without ever considering the effects of solar activity is just nuts at worst and an incomplete science at best. Volcanoes make a mockery of anything humans release. One volcano, a big one can bring enough of a freeze on for years to knock out most of the affects of global warming or worse. It puts our interference into perspective.
Cheers mate. snake oil salesmen do my head in. The IPCC are just that. When these nut jobs got trapped in ice recently (ice they expected not to be there, Ice that several Icebreakers could not cut through) they say, "oh there is more ice in the arctic", get this "because of climate change"
Just noticed this - 'thousands of scientists' - try a handful with almost all with vested interests in?????? Tadah ⦠Oil industry. Do the maths (won't be drawn into horrible Americanisms)
Bob, provide the vidence then that the world has warmed as a result of human influences only. I await the evidence with great anticipation.
I think the simple graph I provided has put that to bed. Earth hotter in the past with A LOT less CO2 than we have now. hmm less CO2 higher temp, so where did all the extra heat come from back then, possibly that big hot bright orange ball in the sky? I haven't done any research any scientific studies on how a extra solar activity may cause an increase in CO2 levels on Earth, climatologists will not research that I guarantee you. As for the Oil Scientists saying we are not causing it. Lets be clear, the demand for fossil fuels is not as it is because of science and climate change. There is absolutely nothing, NOTHING that comes even remotely close to replacing Oil. Not Bio Fuels nothing. Look around you right now and you see oil in everything including the device you are using to post on this forum. If Oil stopped tomorrow, within 4 weeks people in every city of the planet would be suffering starvation, let alone anything made of plastic ect, tires fuel packaging food production transport aviation construction agriculture. Civilization cannot survive without it's fix of Oil for a month. No need of climate change scientists to tell us Oil is OK.
Think of your childrens' grandchildren long and hard , and how their '"Quality of Life " may be before posting "Wishful thinkingly " on globalworming , pollution of the skies , land and not least water . No room for casual on the subject , were all in this together.Thi k of possible solutions instead of if we even have a problem .**** the scientists , we all must slow the world down on need. "Nothing in the world belongs to you , but of what you take, you must share ". Wise words Chief !
That's the major problem, or rather the con. We are being told it is our fault. We pay higher energy bills buy more expensive light bulbs, pay taxes and pay for recycling even though we recycle. It's a massive global industry. Now here's the problem, the people who are paying for this, you and I the average joe are NOT CAUSING IT. It is the very corporations that control our governments and the mainstream media, the ones who tell us it is we who are causing this, they are the ones poisoning the planet yet somehow the blame for the poisoning of the planet is our fault because of that little red standby light on your TV that's been on all night. Pure horseshit. Corporations are wrecking the planet as part of a process of making billions from us. Then their controlled media bought government and funded "research" tells us that in fact it is our fault. There's us separating plastics and cartons and glass ect ect while BP criminally poison the sea, 2 catastrophic disasters they have caused through extreme negligence. They then hired Ogilvy PR to essentially hunt down people who spoke the truth on line, tracking people's identities and even calling their employers, harassment and so on to try stem the public negativity towards BP. These oil corporations, BP Chevron Shell, they pay for regime change, it doesn't end at destroying the planet and robbing us blind. Just look at Oil profits for the major 4 5 oil corporations. Now with peak oil past and gone the oil production is dropping every year. This is where Fracking comes in. This will be much more destructive and at a local level, this is them pumping chemicals under your homes into ground water, into rivers and it is suspected they have caused sink holes to appear. Someone in the US put a video on Youtube where they lit their tap water on fire because of the fracking chemicals in it. You have the police working for these corps, like Igas who employ GMP officers to attack and arrest protestors. So we have corporate destroying the world, then they get their politicans to tell us it is us, their scientists to say it is us and then come the taxes charges ect ect ecfuckingt to rob us even more. Until the corporate monopoly on media and politics is broken NOTHING will change ever. Problem is any grass roots movement has to face the corporate owned politicians and media as well as the banking cartels. No one who looks to reform those areas will ever get into power and any world leader that is not under the yoke of the corp bank cartels are killed, see any nation that was not corporate or bank owned and you will see civil war and invasion by Nato it's a funny auld game. Corporations create environmental problems while making billions, their owned media publishers blame on you and I, and dictate through their bought politicians economic policies that their destructive activities created in the first place,. Full circle.
Agree. The government are all for fracking but won't approve of the use of the Severn barrage to generate energy. Politicians are nothing more than puppets for big businesses, and we the public are getting screwed once again by the green tax, because many people are being hoodwinked by this global warming predicament, all in the name of the green tax. Houses will continue to be built on flood plains in the future so that people can argue that more houses are affected by flooding which must be a result of global warming getting worse. Ice in Antarctica was thicker than expected, so much so ice breakers got stuck, ice in the artic increased over the autumn/winter. Go figure.
Well put Sisu, and on the money! Sounds like we need another revolution?? If the entire country went on strike for a week as a protest against Corporations they would soon sit up and listen, seems with the British they need to be squeezed into a corner before they come out fighting, and that time surely cannot be far away, though the selfish mentality that has been purveyed since Thatcher, that 'I'm all right Jack', doesn't help!..............
I disagree here. Unfortunately if someone was to round up 50,000 men and women and occupy the streets of London, they would be labelled thugs, criminals, rioters and terrorists, whereas when people of other countries employ the same tactics, western governments do all they can to escalate matters and overthrow the powers that be in the interests of their pay masters. Could you really see France, USA and Germany etc sending in military support etc if we tried to overthrow David Cameron and his chums?
