You missed my point! The evidence will become so overwhelming, that the sceptics will simply disappear!................
Maybe there will be no evidence of warming and we'll all freeze our balls off a la the day after tomorrow, if the North Atlantic current disappears. Now that is so etching that could well happen as a result of fesh water and salt imbalance as a consequence of melting ice.
So far the evidence against global warming has been underwhelming as the evidence confirms with no warming the past 15 years.
If I was a betting man I know my money would be on Global warming, you cannot pump billions of tons of chemicals into earth's atmosphere without consequences, think about it! It's been going on for over 100 years and now Asia and China are in on the act with South America not far behind!........
The floods were caused by a man made river that the Environment Agency stopped dredging due to 'budget cuts'... Yet in that timespan the same agency found £2billion to build a nice new shiny building in London complete with plush new carpet and extremely overpriced FOREIGN AND INVASIVE SPECIES of plants in the courtyard. It was not a natural river so the sediment built up quickly and with the rainfall there was only one consequence.
I think what you've got to remember Phil is the day climate scientists come out and say "well actually it doesn't look like there's been any global warming" is the day they all lose their jobs. I always tried to sit on the fence about GW until some accurate data was published, especially after it was proven that many of the top GW scientists were "sexing up" their findings. Well it has been published - the most comprehensive accurate recordings over the last 15 years show there has been no global warming.
Phil, aren't you a member of greenpeace? Im sure you said you were before, in which case, everything you said has just become irrelevant Bunch of loonies the lot of them.
Do you know what I think? I think your a looney swanselona, you watch you don't choke on those statistics!...............
I admit there are conflicting reports right left and centre, but that's in the nature of the beast, scientist are always learning, and trashing old data, libraries of scientific knowledge get made obsolete in next to no time, but you just have to filter out the dross!............
The planet has been heating up and freezing for billions of years. It happened before humans and will continue to fluctuate regardless of our presence. Just because the world is the way it is right now (temperature and continent placement-wise) does not mean it's going to stay this way, it's a near certainty that it won't. About 120000 years ago we entered the latest ice age (we've been in and out of ice ages for billions of years) where most of Europe froze over. The ice sheets declined and are still declining to this day. It seems ridiculous to think about but we are actually still in an ice age, albeit the very late stages. There is evidence of very hot weather on both the poles in the past and there is nothing to say that it wont happen again. That's with or without our 'influence'. Whether global warming is true or not, it's inevitable that the Earth is going to dramatically change. The continents are going to continue to shift, we are going to heat up then we are going to sink into another ice age. No amount of work or technology is able to stop it.
There is no century and no ice age that had to endure the unnatural wrath of the 20th century industrial revolution . It's not nice to **** with mother nature . No matter what turmoil the earth went through over billions of years , it was natural , from the 20th century on wasn't.
Actually roof you are wrong. Earths climate has been exposed to CO2 emissions in the form of volcanic eruptions and super eruptions in the past.
Carbon dioxide (CO2) is the principal gas that trees and other plants need to survive, just like oxygen (O2) is the principal gas that humans and other animals require. Trees absorb CO2 and release O2 -- animals inhale O2 and exhale CO2. See how nice this all works! Earth's first, primitive forests made their prolific debut 300 million years ago during the Carboniferous Period. Before then, the atmosphere held far more CO2 but concentrations declined throughout the Carboniferous Period as plants flourished. During the Carboniferous Period the atmosphere became greatly depleted of CO2 (declining from about 2500 ppm to 350 ppm) so that by the end of the Carboniferous the CO2-impoverished atmosphere was less favorable to plant life and plant growth slowed dramatically. Today, CO2 concentrations are barely at 380 ppm -- still CO2-impoverished. Many scientists strongly believe that we should be trying to produce more CO2, not less. And for good reason. "Carbon is the building block for all life on earth. It provides all of the food and most the energy for the human race. Carbon dioxide is a tiny part of the atmosphere, yet it sustains all life on earth. It is NOT a pollutant. To be anti-carbon is to be anti-life and anti-human". - Viv Forbes, Pasture Manager, Soil Scientist and Geologist
Volcanos are natural , nature is a game of inches. What comes out of cars and smoke stacks has other things being spewed besides co2 . I guess we should make more cars and smoke stacks monty , for the good of mankind .
Some interesting views.....so here are mine together with the reasons why I hold them. Sorry for the long reply - fully understand if you skip it! I'm yet to be convinced about either global warming or the fact it's man-made, though I'm more likely to be convinced about the former than the latter. If anyone can convince me with unequivocal data AND conclusions from that data that cannot be questioned then great. So far I've not seen it and I've read a number of books on the subject with an open mind. One IPCC representative that gave a TV interview yesterday actually said their conclusions are valid because "hundreds of scientists all agree". I'm sorry, that doesn't do it for me, particularly since their mandate from the UN (who pays them) was to come to these very conclusions. In fact, some media sources are saying that the Committee was under enormous pressure from the UK Government and others to be even more alarmist - thereby justifying an increase in the ludicrously named 'green taxes' we all pay. It's noticeable that some scientists refused to sign the final draft. There's a story that goes like this: If you ask the Government for a research grant to study the mating habits of voles you'll probably be laughed at. But if you ask for funds to study the mating habits of voles and how climate change has affected them you're far more likely to get the dosh. Remember, this is the same IPCC that has a track record of falsifying and/or omitting crucial data in its earlier reports. There was one many years ago whereby they produced a graph that correlated a rise in Earth's temperature with the industrial revolution but crucially left out data from Arctic ice bores going back centuries showing that the Earth was in fact warmer in the past before the temperature fell away again. The bottom line is that climate is historically cyclical and whereas I think man can have a detrimental impact on the environment (using the oceans as our personal trash can really pisses me off) I think that our impact is overblown. It's been shown that creatures (and man) have adapted to huge changes over the millenia, it's part of evolution. Those that don't will sadly die. The 'Green Movement' has a decent message - care for the environment and don't pollute - but it's become a tub-thumping, finger-wagging surge of hysteria which only proves one thing - if enough people make enough noise they'll be believed regardless of the quality of their data. Look at it this way - man's output of CO2 is a fraction of one percent that the oceans themselves give off. You might want to read that again. More specifically, we produce about 0.28% of all greenhouse gas annually. Oceans produce over 90 to 100 Btonnes of CO2 annually. Even if us sceptics are wrong the huge industrial rise of countries like India, Brazil and China make any changes we make entirely irrelevant so like it or lump it there is nothing we can do about it. In fact this is something that the IPCC and I agree on because they say essentially the same thing. So for me, yes, pollution is bad and should be avoided - recycling is a good thing - don't tip stuff in the rivers and oceans - cut down on nasty emissions. No problem with any of that. But it should be every human's instinct to question any information given to them and not just accept what they are being fed by vested interests. If you do your research and still accept man-made global warming as fact then fine, but at the moment I can't agree with you. Lastly, don't worry about climate change finishing us off, we're more adaptable than you think. It'll be a huge asteroid strike that we will be powerless to stop and we'll go the way of the dinosaurs. Happy days!
personally i prefer to worry about things that i can directly influence, such as what to have for dinner today, its pointless to preach about global warming (and hypocritical unless you're a hippie) as the reality is that as south american and asia further industrialise and living standards increase, and then in time so will africa, then consumption will rise hugely whatever the west do. i wonder what the real emissions of the likes of the UK, USA, etc are when we factor in the emissions of all the goods we import, theres no doubt in my mind that there is an impact of spewing out so much CO2, but i'm uncertain whether its 0.0001 of a degree or something more significant, theres so many stats out there.....
Personally , I'm afraid to eat anything , especially out of the oceans. Some scientists say the water is rising because of the debris being piled in it . Although you can get a scientist to say anything . If we were all North American Indians , we would all be still using bows and arrows and riding horses. They are the only race, imo, that would have stood still entering the 20 th century till now. A little firewater took care of there dreams . " My Heart Soars " by Chief Dan George is worth the experience . Anyways , watch those "Fish and Chips ".
In all those years you quoted, there was no industrial revolution, no pumping chemicals into the atmosphere and oceans that should not be there, Breezy is correct in post #52, there are approx. 1.2 Billion cars on the planet and rising fast!.... PS: Dragonborn excellent post there mate, very good read!........
And what do you think caused the change in the jet stream? Building houses on a floodplain doesn't cause a flood. Food availability will always be a balance of how many people against how much food and the ability to pay for excess and how little regard you have for your fellow human beings. To deny mankind isn't affecting climate is limited but will be pounced on by those who believe everything is a conspiracy or simply want to excuse their excesses. As Rhori Morgan famously said climate change would not be "entirely unhelpful" to Wales.
