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The Problem With Leeds Right Now

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  1. BillysStatue

    BillysStatue Well-Known Member

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    So another abject performance at mighty Bournemouth, and once again the prophets of doom are baying for blood ... but the wrong blood. First things first ... with our squad of players we are genuinely nothing more than a very average Championship club. Fact!

    This club has not recovered from the Bates era, and it won't until two thirds minimum of our current crop of players are replaced with something better. The frustration and anger only has one place it should be focused on ... the owners. GFH are culpable here, because they bought this club and told us their vision of promotion in two seasons ... well, if they stay in charge it may well be another ten!! They failed miserably to support McDermott in August, when after the Murphy signing it was suddenly all over. Did it help? Duh!!

    I despise Colin ... he is a buffoon at the best of times, but fcuk me, he knows how to win promotion. However, like any successful manager will tell you, support from the board is an absolute must! Look at Dyche at Burnley ... yes, they sold Austin because the offer was just too good, but when they realised they were in the hunt come January, the club got Ashley Barnes in for the run in ... ahead of Leeds! Colin had nthing like the money needed to build a team, resulting in a load of free transfers, bringing in "seasoned professionals" to try and make a fist of it. Well, you pay peanuts ............

    What have GFH done as a board to support McD? Publicly run around negotiating a takeover ... no stability, no plan, just a huge for sale sign outside ER. Does this affect the players? No, it affects everybody at the club, because buyouts create uncertainty, as nobody knows what the new owner will do ... and it's worse when nobody knows who the new owner will be, if any, while the club appears to be on its knees financially.

    Now I ask this ... with the players we had when McD came in, and the instability of the owners who are whoring themselves out like tarts at the docks, which manager out there would have made us promotion contenders? In fact, how many managers would have stuck around this long? It is so easy to sling mud, to join a rabid crowd and stone an innocent just because you need a target for your anger. McD isn't hanging on because he wants a payoff. In fact, with admin around the corner, he won't get a payoff. He is trying to build a sleeping giant back into a top club, a club he knows has massive potential and, if things go right, can mix it with the big boys easily. He's not a fool.

    If you look at his signings, every single one looked right BEFORE they came. The problem is what they came into. To win promotion, talent and ability isn't the only requirement. The key is having a squad of players who BELIEVE they can play at Prem level. We don't have that. Let's see:

    Kenny, Ashdown, Drury, Peltier, Brown, Green, Norris, Varney, Warnock, Diouf, Austin, Lees, Tonge, Cairns, Thompson, Poleon ... I promise you NONE of these believe they will cut it in the Prem. So what is there to play for? They know if Leeds go up, they go out the door.

    Then you look at what's left, and I'd say Hunt is definitely finished, and I think he conned McD to get himself a final two year deal. He is not the player McD knew and thought he was signing. Kebe is a loan who won't return, but he must have been shocked making his debut in a 6-0 thrashing at Wendys ... same with Stewart's start. What an introduction, walking into a "team" that simply quit.

    Matt Smith is eager and keen, and it shows. At least he's trying. McCormack has been unreal, and McD is the only manager who has got him playing to his potential. Ah, but it helps because McCormack believes he should be playing for Brazil nevermind in the Prem. He knows he can make it at the top level, and he drives himself on. He will be gone in the summer at this rate.

    Byram and Mowatt are kids who have broken themselves in the club's cause. Pearce is an honest player who will give everything regardless of the situation. Zaliukas is a good player but is exposed in this team of halfwits. Wootton is a young talent with a future, but like any youngster he needs leadership and calmness on the field to bring him on. Murphy? He has the tools, just not the players around him.

    McD is a good manager, but the poison killing our club is really taking hold now. Overall, we are where we expected to be this season, but it still hurts. Give McD the support he needs financially, allow him to go and sign what he needs, get rid of those players who won't be playing in the Prem and see the difference. No matter how good you are, **** is ****, and when you have as many **** players as we do, then you have no chance at all.

    As for Redfearn ... he is a youth coach, its what he's good at, leave him there. Just like Brian Kidd is a good number two. McDermott won't be here next season, I believe that. However, unless we get a MINIMUM of £50m pumped into the squad, and all our debts are cleared as well, it doesn't matter who the new manager is. We will still have players who know they won't make it in the Prem, and that will be enough to sink us once again. Blame the owners for forcing us to only be in a position to sign rubbish ... as someone pointed out before, if players can't pass, head, tackle, cross, shoot ... how the fcuk can the manager make them a promotion winning team?


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  2. leeds60

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    Sorry but BARNES is no better than what weve got and if Wickham cant score what chance would Barnes have no IM afraid we need 2 tricky wingers not Stewart and Kebbie the like of Burke and young Murphy from the blades get rid of Hunt Diouf Peltier Norris and get some young ones in
     
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  3. 666 & Elmo

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    Well said Billys
     
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    Well said that chap
     
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  5. BillysStatue

    BillysStatue Well-Known Member

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    Barnes is only behind McCormack looking at our squad, and already made an impact at Burnley just when they needed him .... as McD said after last night, "I've never known a team like this"


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  6. TC (Lovely Geezer)

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    Looking at the eleven players that finished last nights game :

    Butland (loan)
    Byram (Academy)
    Pugh (Warnock signing)
    Stewart (loan)
    Lees (Warnock or Grayson?)
    Pearce (Warnock)
    Mowatt (Academy)
    Austin (Warnock)
    McCormack (Grayson)
    Smith (Mcdermott)
    White (Warnock)


    McDermott has spent a fortune compared to his predessesors, but where are HIS signings?
    Your wage bill has gone from just over £1M a month to in excess of £2M.
    Spent a fortune on players he doesn't think are worthy of a game - whose fault is that?
     
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    Chippy / Glory Senior Member

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    Tom Lees, you have been coming here long enough to know that by now.
     
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  8. BillysStatue

    BillysStatue Well-Known Member

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    lol glory ... yes, Lees is Academy graduate ... TC, Wallies genuinely look doomed


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  9. TC (Lovely Geezer)

    TC (Lovely Geezer) Well-Known Member

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    We are indeed - this is our season in one image
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  10. lifecheshirewhite

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    McDermott has spent 2.5 million on players and brought in hunt who has got to be one of the worst ever players to play for Leeds.With the team we had and 2.5 million to spend he should have got very close to the play-offs.Only Hollowhead and co at nillwall have under performed more.
     
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    BillysStatue Well-Known Member

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    chesh .. not that simple ... incoming players still need good players around them, and that's the point ... the poor squad we had and were not able to offload has hurt us tremendously ... Hunt just never recovered from his early season injury and is a shadow of the player we thought we would see ... as for Wallies, nope, they are meeting expectations ... it was clear they were in trouble last season, and hard as Morison has tried their squad is just too poor to make a fist of it ... they need to be careful next season as well, because promotion from Lge One won't be a guarantee


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  12. MIGHTY

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    It always takes us 4 or 5 seasons we are not expecting to bounce str8 back <ok>
     
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  13. lifecheshirewhite

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    Sorry m8 but it is,the players we had finished mid table last season.We've outplayed Leicester twice this season,Burnley once and QPR once.The problem is the manager is too nice and the lazy git players are walking all over him.Put Mcdermott on gardening leave and when someone wants him they can pay part of his contract.
     
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    And you won't have our shirt tail to hold on to next season.;)
     
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    BillysStatue Well-Known Member

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    I get it chesh ... you hate McD and even if he won the Chumps Lge you'd be screaming it should have been the World Cup so sack the swine ... what a shame, we have one of the best managers available for the job at Leeds right now, yet there are people who refuse to understand the circumstances McD faces and the difficulty our squad of rubbish places him in ... example, Ian Holloway is a good manager, gets teams firing and winning, yet at Wall he is struggling, because the squad he has is below average, and not just one or two but twenty two, so he can't get results because no matter what he does, they simply can't play well consistently ... oh, I forgot, Holloway is another one of those awful managers who got lucky and is finally being found out ........ grow up and stop serial whining, fcuking doom and gloom day in day out on this board, and eventually you get what you wish for


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  16. Josh-LUFC

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    I know its not your point but Lees and White come through the academy, in fact pretty sure white was here before Grayson and Pugh was signed by Grayson. You should know more about your darling leeds

    And I don't know how many times I have had to say this Warnock spent 5.5m (and thats being very very conservative) and McD has spent 2m max in transfer fees, McD has not spent more money than his predecessors. I think you'll also find our highest earners are the likes of Kenny, Stephen Warnock, Peltier, Tonge, Diouf and McCormack (which is completely justified) which I have read in many different places (seperately and about individual players, not all in one place). All warnock signings. And we know McCormack isn't top earner at the club as that is what he said very directly yesterday on twitter, we KNOW that McD wouldn't have given anyone more money than his beloved Ross.
     
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  17. BillysStatue

    BillysStatue Well-Known Member

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    lol Josh ... beloved Leeds


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  18. TC (Lovely Geezer)

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    lol Josh - Warnock spent £5.5M - on who?
     
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    Morison


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  20. lifecheshirewhite

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    What planet have you been living on since xmas Billy ?.You know what Billy I've spent most of this season giving 100% support to McDermott and if you won league's for being a nice guy then we would be 10pts clear at the top.But that's not the world we live in,and in the real world I have to ask why we have the second worst form in the league when our squad is in the top half without any Doubt in my mind,they are in the top 4 or 5 for pay in the league,not 1 player is playing for McDermott they don't run,tackle or show any willingness to put in a shift and show total contempt for the people paying their wages.No not Cellino or GFH But Me and the other guys
    who go the games.You say we have an average league team,well I wish they played average because they are playing well below average.Millwall have a fooking abysmal team and I don't think that man for man they have 1 player better than his opposite player at Leeds and yet they were unlucky not to get something from Elland rd they played like they wanted it more.The fans have given nothing but support to McDermott and the team and have received nothing but contempt and crap in return,its time to stand up and be counted if McDermott can't motivate the team and he can't then its time to go,if a player can't play to his ability then they need to go.I don't expect them to play like Messi but I do expect them to be the average players they are.When was the last time you went Billy because if you had paid good money to watch the crap we've been served up I don't think you would be giving your support so freely.
     
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