You're apparently then struggling to find insults made by this poster, because "quite pitiful" ain't an insult. Browse ANY of dave's replies to me, and you will be startingly reminded of the definition of the word 'insult', which it seems, you have quite forgotten. Or are you refeering us like Webb does United-Liverpool?
Why? If we save £25k on wages from Johnson, those can go towards upping someone like Sturridge's pay, or towards another potential new signing who been offered a slightly higher wage which will allow us to match or better it. Every little help
I don't think its really for you to say what posters should and shouldn't be posting about. If someone wants to discuss wages then why not? We're all quick to take the piss out of Man Utd for paying Rooney £300k per week, why can't we talk about a massively over paid player on our own books? To your point...Clearly, I don't entirely agree as I think wages do matter. But, I've gone on record as saying I wouldn't want us to keep Glen even if agreed to play for £10k per week!!! He's past it and no longer cares IMO
Hard to gauge worth at those fine margins, imo. Water in the Sahara is worth 1k a litre. As we might need GJ's services more than you think, if BR doesn't go to market for a RB. Plus, wages are generally on the up from some years ago, with inflation and football clubs making more money. Some of the wages we see these days weren't around a few years ago.
You're drinking from the same carton of milk as luv, G? Is it better if I pepper my opinions with 'imo'? Let me try again: "If re-signed for 75k or 100k, 60k or 90k, makes no big difference IMO and shouldn't be IMO a poster's main point, IMO."
TBF, I covered this already. IMO, he's past it and doesn't care so we should get rid whilst we can still get something for him. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but he should have gone last summer. PS...it's the way you word things that gets peoples backs up. I personally don't care but I can see why others do
I sort of agree with Livtor on the wage thing. If Rodgers wants to keep Johnson then the club should do everything in their power to do so. If Rodgers is ok with Johnson as our undisputed #1 RB & on 100k (or whatever) then the club should go along with it.
Indeed G, like you, anyone will find my criticisms of Johnson, his attitude, his lack of effort, inability to defend this year etc etc on the various GJ threads and specifically his individual performances in the many match threads this season. The very fact he's one of our highest paid players made all that more unacceptable in my eyes. I did applaud his one good performance last weekend to be fair. And by all means if he continues that form to the end of the season, the manager backs him and he continues to improve? I can't really complain then. I have highlighted the same type of concerns and accepted the improvement with Gerrard and hoped Allen would also follow suit. Gut with GJ says the good form is now temporary and the mediocre is the norm. If that's due to injuries sustained rather than attitude then my sympathies but it's high end sport......
So we should all sing along happily that the likes of Johnson, Aspas and Allen are the cream of the crop for Liverpool Football Club? Absolutely not! None of us are going to start booing Johnson because he signs a new deal but we are entitled to an opinion of the players we have. Johnson has been dog **** for eighteen months, he's not looked like he's give a **** about playing for the same length of time. One good performance against one relegation fodder (no offence Cardiff) and suddenly he's one of the world best RBs...? Really...? Wages do matter but I understand the point of us being fans so its the football that matters. However, as i pointed out above, posters are entitled to talk about whatever they like so if they wish to use wages as a discussion or debate point they can.
I'd say leave him longer. At the minute, he has things to play for (title, contract, world cup, etc) so I expected his form to pick up a bit. Even if, over the remaining eight games, he becomes the world beater that Brod claims I reckon he'll be back the his less than half hearted efforts at the start of next season!
Liv, as Gerrez states it's your focus in response to a post not the fact you hold a different opinion. Why state what people SHOULD post rather than just say This is my post.......You don't need the IMO , I will get that "you think if BR/FSG is willing to pay x then you don't care" because you typed it and I read it! Adding the extra derision of someone elses post doesn't add weight to your view, in fact as can be seen in this thread it distracts people away from said view. So no big deal, I'm just trying to grasp what you want from this discussion, it doesn't seem to be wide ranging and different views....what was your reason for the OP as you didn't initially state it and you didn't like what I took from it?
If anything we need a new RB for competition with GJ. Maybe that will bring the best out of him. Won't be Montoya as he has signed a new deal recently.
You can say what you like about those players! I was talking about the club itself! If Rodgers tells Henry he wants Johnson to get a new contract as he is a big part of his plans, I'd expect Johnson to get one, even if his wages are high, is all I'm saying. And I actually agree with you on Johnson looking disinterested for most of this season. But Rodgers has guided us from 8th to a title challenge in 2 seasons so I'm happy for the club to trust any decisions he makes.
Fair enough, I misunderstood what you was saying Of course he'll get a new deal if Brod wants him too, that goes for any player so long as the player wants to stay too. Doesn't mean the fans have to agree with it.
The reason for the OP was the news itself. It can meander anywhere from there, as posters are free to challenge the opinions and perspectives of other posters. That's the point of this whole exercise I suppose. My opinion re GJ is that he's been bad only this year. He should-IMO get the benefit of the doubt from his own supporters when he and BR come out to claim that he was suffering from niggling injuries before his time out. Supporters are natural trustees of the benefit of the doubt for their own, aren't they? Also, I believe that he does bring good qualities at FB if healthy - he's fast, athletic, strong, has technique, experience, ventures forward in a dangerous way - all traits brought to light at Cardiff. Now, when it comes to the money... I never once said the club shouldn't negotiate his contract down. What happened was that it left me a bad taste witnessing how many posters made the wages the primary focus of their sentiment. As I said, I'm ok with a fan haggling about his wages ONCE he has made a cogent point about his value to the team and other more substantial reasons that should define the contract decision, like his talent, competion for the position in & out the club, etc. It's fine to say IMO "I don't want him in the first team for such and such reasons... - we should go to market for a RB... Therefore 60k-70k tops is enough for him." Plus, as Lucaaas very well put it, if BR thinks that the transfer kitty will be better spent on other positions other than RB - I'd trust him on that.
agree that comment could come back to haunt brendan as he could be held accountable to it for wages, wasn't there a story few weeks ago about Johnson saying he can earn the same amount of wages he is on now elsewhere?(or was that bull), don't like that attitude, doesn't sound like someone who likes it here, more the wages he is being paid sadly. i think we should get rid personally, he wont take a pay cut i dont reckon, or performance related if that's what it is called, like to see Wisdom coming through, with more opportunities for Mclaughlin as well,also want to see what this Llori is all about.
Got to agree with Livtor, he didnt insult anyone at all in this thread. Also 1 million percent agree with him on the wage point. What difference does it make to any of you guys what wage he is on? Surely the only thing that will affect you is if he is kept or not. Seeing as BR thinks he is one of the best full backs in the world (), then that is likely. Liverpool fans obsession with wages has always baffled me. I'm more into football than accounting myself.
Wages don't matter to a club like yours, but financial matters with the previous owners nearly ruined us, so I think thats why we possibly care more. I have no problem with a player trying to earn as much as he can, everyone else would do the same in their own profession. It is the money grabbers that are hard to back though and don't put performances in.
