Yup, be interesting how hard it hits everybody because you don't see Ferrari of McLaren showing their cards off and Scrabs is saying Red Bull arn't using it that much compared to others. With Silverstone Red Bull just might have to suck it up and see what happens. "Worst case" regarding rivals, Lewis or Button wins, "Best case" Massa or Alonso wins it. The weeks heading to Nurburgring might hopefully give Newey that extra gap needed to close a few "holes" with the rear by coping a bit more from Ferrari and adapting it.
Marko's trying to distort the reality of the situation today just as much as Newey did a few days ago. It's not a ban. The ban won't come in until the end of the season. There is no impact whatsoever on hardware. Nothing needs to be redesigned or upgraded. This is just a very simply implemented restriction on a software-controlled engine mapping.
I love that he brings up the name McLaren, I like the name McLaren in that list with Mercedes, Red Bull and Renault that gives me a boost knowing McLaren are going to get a kick in the teeth as well.
What is it with McLaren, Silver? You present your dislike so strongly anyone could be forgiven for thinking they'd personally stitched you up! It actually sounds genuinely hateful!
the thing is, will they? it seems to me that the biggest losers of the EBD are McLaren, as evidenced by the fact they have the worstquali/race pace ratio of the main users. RBR have been using it the most, and with Newey, probably the most efficient. I guess we'll find out come silverstone, everything else is speculation.
But that why it's expected to impact Red Bull more than McLaren - because McLaren appear not to have got it working as effectively on their car so there isn't as much for them to lose. 10% of an effective system should be better than 10% of a not-so-good system, true, but the amount of downforce lost by Red Bull could be far higher than what McLaren lose. We don't know, of course - it could be that Red Bull's diffuser is woefully ineffective without being blown at (say) 30%, so the reduction to 10% completely scuppers them in this area.
Sorry if that's how it's coming across cosicave, but really it's just good to hear somebody else in the know, saying McLaren wont get off scott free either. I'll admit I don't like McLaren one bit, I didn't like how they used mind games last year against Red Bull and how the constant "sebastian the crash kid", "our car is nothing to Red Bulls" or "Lewis and Jenson are the reason the gap is so close" "ride height, illegal flexi wing, etc...FIA need to do something about it" He just moans and moans which grates on my nerves and it gets very dull hearing it. Ron Dennis was just as bad accusing the FIA assisting Ferrari all over the papers years ago, so it isn't like it just came out of nowhere and I'm making this up, McLaren are a big bunch of moaners. Maybe it's too easy to read up on these things and all the focus is just on them, unlike Red Bull.
I can see how last year would have grated on you. It's more or less the same as with the Brawn cars of '09 and the whole double diffuser malarkey when everyone apart from Brawn, Williams and Toyota moaned about that. In terms of the whole 'mind games' side of it, I'm pretty sure every team does that to one extent or another.
Seems like engine mapping is a new hurdle the teams must encounter...... http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/92494
Cheers, Schneiderlin. There's a bit of discussion about this on the European GP Chat thread. They should have brought this in a month ago when they caved in to the teams on reducing off-throttle blowing.
Yes, this is potentially one of the most important developments for this year's World Championship. Really, it justifies its own thread. Here is one scenario which could play out during the next couple of months: The clampdown on engine mapping is very significant and could present a genuine headache for Adrian Newey (very little fazes him usually). Mercedes and McLaren will also suffer, since they have done the same thing, albeit not packaged as well as Red Bull's Renault engined concept; and it is logical to predict a similar difficulty for Lotus Renault. The way I see it, of the front running teams, Ferrari would be the least likely to suffer and we could see them come to the fore during the middle phase of the season, before the others catch up again. This could put the World Championship 'back on' again and have the Irish bookmaker who paid out already on bets for Vettel taking the laurels as a foregone conclusion, scratching their heads and vowing never to do such a daft thing again!
Is that true? Surely with the money you would of won from them you could put back on Vettel winning and make a bigger profit
I am still waiting for the Adrian Newey ban to come into play when the FIA start getting really desperate.
