As Vettel hasn't even been DSQ from a result ever, doesn't that make Daniel a bigger cheater and his name should be up there instead of Vettel's? + first DSQ since the Sauber double at Australia in 2011 for the rear wing incident.
Though this was interesting from one of the race reports. Rules are rules, that is for sure, but the prevailing curiosity in the World Champions' rather unseemly dispute with the stewards is why Race Control reputedly felt the compunction to warn the team at all during the race. If rules are rules, a warning shouldn't come into play; they either transgressed the rules or they didn't, end of. The critical word in the charge made against Red Bull is that they 'consistently' exceed the regulations; in other words, not that they broke the rules, but they crossed the line too many times. Which begs an urgent question: just how many times can the line be crossed before an infringement is deemed worthy of punishment?
It depends on the size of the team, for example if you're a small team and your rear wings are a few thou too small you'll be DSQ'd, if you're big you'll be told to change them for the next race.
You make your point very well, Smithers. As you say, such efforts to 'help', however well intended, result in blurring what should be a clear line. That said, there can be well-intended considerations to avoid spoiling the spectacle, which, if or when they become public, can look like an effort to fudge things or brush them under the carpet. These things shouldn't happen but sometimes – through good intent and weighing the political odds, they just might...
So Red Bull is going to adopt the "if I can't cheat and get away with it I will put out of F1" approach? It's funny that the same red bulls with Horner pushing the issue were after Mercedes after the tyre test last year, but now threatening to pull out if they are not allowed to cheat. You are allowed to push the envelope, but I think when you are told you are doing something wrong and you do it anyway, even though the other teams complied then you have to get a penalty. Red Bull, get over it! Someone needs to tell Mr Mateschitz that all of the teams had the same time to prepare and they all have the same rule book, so it makes no sense complaining if you are not on top of your game right now, you just need to make a step and try to catch the leader. Pulling out would really look bad on red bull, because when they changed the tyre make up last year in the middle of the season and it suited them they didn't say a word and the other teams who were affected didnt pull out of F1. I think he is behaving like the spoilt child who didn't score in the first minute because others were just quicker than him so he threatens to take up his football and go home. If the FIA goes against the rules they set beforehand just to accommodate Red Bull, then Where is it gall going to end? Red Bull could quit over controversy - Mateschitz Monday 24th March 2014, 07:54 by TF1T Staff © Red Bull Racing, Getty Images Red Bull could leave Formula 1 if it finds itself at the centre of controversial decisions, such as the one to disqualify Daniel Ricciardo from the Australian Grand Prix. That is the warning from Austrian owner Dietrich Mateschitz. The billionaire often states that Red Bull will only leave once the sport no longer makes economical sense from a marketing point of view, however he told the Kurier that "sporting value" and "politics" may also force the brand out. "The fact is that the federation's [FIA] sensor has given inaccurate values since the beginning of the [pre-season] tests," explained the 69-year-old. "We can prove that we were within the limits. "The question is not so much about whether it [F1] makes economic sense, but more to do with the sporting value, political influence and the like," he said. "We have had it all but on these things from our perspective there is a clear limit to what we can accept." He also gave his view on the current hot topic - the sound of the new V6 power units - which he's not too keen on. "F1 should be again what it always has been: the ultimate discipline. "It is not there to set new records in fuel consumption, or so you can talk at a whisper during a race and the greatest thrill is the squealing of the tyres. "I consider it equally absurd that we are going a second slower than last year and that the junior series GP2 is almost as fast with a fraction of the budget." - See more at: http://www.f1times.co.uk/news/display/08663#sthash.YgIXRFtS.dpuf
Until we actually know how far out the individually FIA calibrated sensors they gave to RBR were out then accusations of 'cheating' are a bit premature. Oh I know how you love to point the finger at SV/RBR continually, though never writing about which driver/team you do like (I think the term is 'hater'). The fact is until that time we dont know if RBR are cheating (though normally you try and be sneaky about cheating, not totally blatant, and continually do it knowing you'll be DSQ), or if the FIA are trying to fix a championship for commercial reasons by hobbling the team who they think will cost them $ if they were to win again.
So the right thing to do is quit if the ruling goes against you? Weren't all the teams told to cut back and they did? So why don't red bulls?
So RBR threatening to walk just like Ferrari always used to if they don't get their own way? The sport does not need a team like this that can't take not winning and will either bend the rules to suit or just ignore all gentlemen's agreements, protocols and FIA instructions so they can get an advantage. RBR has only been around 10 years or so. Good riddance if they want to hold F1 to ransom.
Yeah, its funny how Red Bull once prided themselves on being the 'fun' team in the paddock and liked to claim they injected an old fashioned philosophy to racing compared to the rather robotic and serious teams of the time like McLaren and Ferrari. Yet now they are acting like Ferrari did in the early 2000s I mean Mateschitz's comments are straight out of the Montezemelo/Ferrari book, it's the old 'We can't have everything our own way so we will throw our toys out the pram'.
Thats why I asked in another Thread..Is Vettel a quitter? The reason why? It's one thing to be winning and laughing and being the happy fun team in the paddock, but when you flip from being 4-straight champions to fighting with the car, then I am sure reactions will change.. just like Red Bull now wanting to quit.
So far Vettels been acting very maturely about the situation. I don't believe you'll get to see what you want dhel
What I want to see what's the difference between his winning reaction and the losing reaction... So far he has handled it well, but so far that's only one race. So let's see what happens.
If ever race is a stinker like Australia, of course he's going to have a change in attitude... What else would you expect? I don't exactly get what you're anticipating or wanting.
I don't anticipate anything or want anything..I just want to see which Vettel we will see should he have a bad season thats all. Of course I don't want him to have a bad season because I want to see him run against Alonso, Rosberg, Hamilton (if he ever gets his car going), Grosjean, Massa, Kimi and all the top guys. I think I have said that before.
Is it me or is Red Bull threatening to quit more like a cover up for them actually thinking of quitting anyway?
I'm not sure why'd they'd want to quit, unless they feel they have already peaked or they just don't feel it's worth the financial outlay anymore. I don't think it's an excuse. It would reflect quite poorly on the brand if they were seen to be taking their ball home like a brat.
It would look bad for them. This energetic, go-getting, 'anyone can do it if they try company', sulking because no one respects their now self-found elitest status at the top of a sport in which it's now win at all costs as opposed to 'he who tries hard wll suceed'.
