First sentence, you forgot "unless you disagree with me/CTWD in which case you should change your mind". Second bit, you just described the entire CTWD campaign, but happily a lot seem to see this, and it is why such a small minority has actually joined them. Change the name of the club? OMG The clubs history will disappear! My Great Great Uncle Charlie who died in the war always spoke about going to see "City", why are you spitting in his face with this name change?? Etc. Pure emotional blackmail right there. There's nowt emotional about "we know what we need to do, we know how to do it, we need to make some changes, if you don't like them, we'll leave and wish you well". The hysterical wailers who will mourn the death of their club if the City is dropped, or who will stop going are the ones dishing out the emotional blackmail. It was NEVER about just a name change, for either side, and CTWD knew that, which is why they went to great pains to pretend it was in an attempt to deceive people into joining them. That worked out well didn't it? Like I say, deceiving and emotional blackmail should be in CTWDs mission statement. The ONLY people to trust are the Allams, not CTWD.
The regime have threatened the fans. The regime has deceived the fans. The regime is emotionally blackmailing the fans. But you back them to the hilt.
Ben, you're better than this. It is successful ONLY because of what the Allams have done. They can't continue to keep doing it the way they have been. They need more income and they can do that with a minor rebrand. It won't actually hurt anyone and will, going forward, make us profitable, allow us to buy the sort of players who run rings around us today, and allow us to expect good cup runs and to actually win something once in a while while enjoying good football and for us, success, not a return to whence we came. I realise for some, football is about getting ****faced, or standing on the terraces hurling abuse at the other team, but I am really enjoying not seeing us be ****e every week, not travelling to ****e grounds and actually being able to mention to my team and the other person not laughing or looking puzzled. If you think that makes me a whore, well, **** you. Christ, you know this, but I guess being rubber dicked by the CTWD bile and bollocks makes you part of a small select club you want to be in.
Could it be that they have realised that getting to the semi and possibly the final has boosted our identity and they can now get an improved sponsorship deal anyway, but they don't want to simply back down. By having a ballot that votes 'no' they can become the good guys again by putting on some spin that they are accepting the fans preferences and have always had that in mind?
I'm afraid you've lost me, would you care to elaborate? For CTWD it was entirely about a name change, if there was no name change, we wouldn't even exist. If you're referring to the aim of forming a supporters trust, then that won't be CTWD, it will be a new organisation involving some of the same people, who will move onto something new if the name change is rejected, for the benefit of the club.
You don't believe your own bullshit. I can't believe people even respond to it. Unless your one of these folks who has years worth of supplies of canned food and dug out a secret underground hovel in case of a zombie epidemic or an alien invasion. The only person I've ever met who lives in a fantasy world where your rambles could seem like genuine sense is severely mentally handicapped, and at the tender age of 27 (I think) he is far less mature than a 10 year old. Give this facade a rest now Happy, you've done it to death. It's not funny or interesting anymore.
Happy They were clear yesterday that we'd break even this year & be in profit next year. That is as Hull CIty. In Ehab's open letter he gave many facts & figures which would suggest our current income is circa £130m, with a wage bill of £42m. A healthy income versus wage bill compared to other successful profitable clubs. This income is also generated as Hull City. That is despite the club having a fourth division marketing strategy. If they were to concentrate on improving their marketing strategy & getting it to a standard in line with the club's status that income would increase further. With a sustained stay in the PL income will continue to increase as will our global exposure. If they take on a "Tiger" sponsor who demand we change our name, what will occur when the sponsor no longer wants to put their money in? Another sponsor, with another name? It's too high a price to pay solely for a sponsor. In their interview yesterday they suggested that the club are being approached by potential sponsors, this is now, as Hull City. In his post letter interview Ehab suggested the front runner to secure sponsorship was not "Tiger" related. Why the need to change the name? There is no business case to suggest a name change will be beneficial to the club in such a way that Hull City would fail. The whole episode is a reaction to them not getting their own way with HCC & throwing their toys out of the pram. They are leaking the information albeit in an order that intends to mislead. The clue is putting it together & seeing what is obvious & right. EDIT: Just seen the last part of your post, it was in no way aimed at yourself. Your opinion of the owners & how they run the club has been nothing but consistent. My post was aimed primarily at Dev Adv (who I'd quoted) along with others, who at the time of NB's dismissal were vocally abusive towards our owners yet now we're in the PL appear to have not only changed their own opinion of the owners but also think others have no right to be critical of them. As for being dicked by CTWD I've parted with around £70 in their favour. One of the committee members I have known for 40+ years & have no reason not to trust. I have also met other committee members previous to the campaign being launched & found them all to be decent people with a love & passion for HCAFC. I admire them for all they've done.
Where's your proof this minor rebrand will bring new sponsorship? What ballpark figure are we talking about? To the nearest ten million will do. Is there a successful precedent that we can take comfort from?
I welcome today's news. Will be interesting what question they put out there. I would expect something along the lines of "Do you object to the owners changing the name of the club" would probably get the result the Allams are looking for.
Game by game I fear more Dr. Allam may be right. I don't think anyone wants the name to change but it seems it is the silent majority don't really give a ****. 19:04 singalongs rarely spread more than halfway down the east stand, which is worrying.
Today changed everything for me. I said right from the start that unless the West Stand was engaged the cause was lost, but at 1904 in todays game the West Stand was quite. Even a well known member of CTWD hardly joined in. He looked embarrassed. But the problem is that NO one wins in this. I cannot blame the Allams for trying and I for one will regret the day that they leave and if it means that the club is thrown into terminal decline for the sake of its playing name, quite frankly it is stupidity to let this happen. I was impressed with Ehab and I want him to be able to develop the club as he see's fit. The FA should allow the owners to run the club. End of. Don't forget the past, support the future and if the future means more games like today's and more trips to Wembley, taking a chance with the playing name has to be worth it. The comments that we have got where we are as Hull City are embarrassing, we have got where we are because Assem Allam put his money where his mouth is. I don't want to see the playing name change, but we have have the argument for ages and not one of the experts here has come up with any viable alternative. I changed my mind today, if my ticket next season says Hull Tigers, I will be there, what I find odd is so will most of the membership of CTWD.
I recall you stating previously that you wouldn't go next season if there was a name change. I also recall you stating that you wouldn't protest at 19:04 because some blokes near you don't protest. If they did, you would. Throughout this period, you've sent out confused messages and you have also stated that your views/actions depend upon the reaction/action of your peers. So, with all due respect, I can't imagine anyone giving a **** that you've changed your mind (apart from those blokes who sit near you - you might have earnt a few more brownie points there).
You've lost me again, what was condescending? Most of the CTWD committee got together to fight a name change, once that battle is out of the way, then many plan to step down. Some think that we've started something that should continue, either as a fan advisory group, or as a full supporters trust. Ahead of the Arsenal game, we will hold our AGM, when members will decide who should be appointed to the committee and what the aims of the organisation should be(this will obviously be after the FA vote). It might surprise you to learn that from the original twenty-something committee members, only four or five are putting themselves forward for committee posts.
Pleased you will still be going Mel. I care more about losing good supporters then I do about the name change.
