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Rodgers wants gradel at Swansea according to sky this morning

Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by Eireleeds1, Jun 18, 2011.

  1. leedsmadness

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    Bates has turn this club around, Leeds seem to have a policy of letting players contract run down rather than sell them, We DONT have to sell players any more, The problem we have is attracting players, Leeds wont pay over the odds for them or huge wages, even thou i agree with living within our means, its still frustrating. The lack of activity at the club at the mo is so frustrating.

    As far as Gradel situation why would he want to play for a team that will be at the bottom of the Prem all season and back in the championship next year
     
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  2. MIGHTY

    MIGHTY Del-Boy

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    I'll renounce my Leeds fan status and go support Harrogate Railway if we sell

    first Wetsham, then Charlton, now Harrogate Railway, <laugh>

    i would deffo pick Harrogate Railway out of them 3 <ok>
     
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  3. Jager

    Jager Well-Known Member

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    If that is even true, because it will give the chance to play in the premier league, a player will give a lot for that, and the same could be the same for you lot, why play for a team that if promoted will be up one season, on the bottom of the table all season and come back down
     
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  4. MarkoLUFC

    MarkoLUFC Well-Known Member

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    Because chances are we won't be at the bottom of the PL when we get promoted. Size of club has a massive impact on the success of said club in the Premier League and certain clubs are just conditioned to succeed more than others. Newcastle were a good indication of what we can expect from our first season back, being a similar sized club with a similar financial situation.

    There's also a small subconcious factor that I believe has a bigger effect than most people realise. A club that feels a sense of belonging in the Premier League will be more likely to succeed as the players will not feel a gut feeling that they are at a team punching above its weight and that they are just there for the ride/shop window.

    It's not everything but these subtle things can make or break a team. Look at Blackpool, they pretty much accepted from day one they were the underdogs and just their for the show and the ride, much like a lower league team making it through a few rounds in the cup. It showed in their amazing performance in the first half of the season that turned into a slump and a breakdown of the team dynamic that saw them get relegated straight away.

    And the ugliest of the factors, the money, and what the club can afford to spend. Leeds will have a much higher budget than most clubs coming up due to 40 000 fans every week at premium ticket prices, as well as higher merchandise sales and a higher amount TV money. I'd expect Leeds will get more air time than the majority of clubs that have come straight up. It seems every game we play in is a big game for somebody!
     
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  5. Spanish white

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    good to see you swansea fans have your feet on the ground and all of a sudden you are telling us we are going to be a yoyo club if we go up....
    arrogance so soon...and its not even July... :)

    1. lets see who you sign and if u can cut it........
    2. how funny it is that you think Gradel would be just a bench walmer in your side :) :) when none of your team is proven in the prem!!!
    3. i look forward to seeing your posts a few weeks in to the season....

    and we dont want anymore of you dross..........
     
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  6. Jager

    Jager Well-Known Member

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    Complete rubbish, size of club has no bearing at all in the premier league, a very small portion of being up there comes from the crowd size, we are a small club with no debts at all, but are guaranteed at least £90m over 4 years if we come back down straight, out of that only £6m or so will come from attendances in full, something we are already getting by the way.

    What happens on the field is what matters, crowds don't win games!
     
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  7. Jager

    Jager Well-Known Member

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    How arrogant, you are saying that about my club, but when I say it about yours you call me arrogant, just can't fathom how idiotic your post is!

    None of our team was proven in the championship either, tell me what happened there?

    My posts will be the same if we stay up or not, we are in the premier league, you are not! Our club won the league one championship, yours did not!

    And Spanish, its banter , if you can't handle it I have found just the site for you

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/
     
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  8. Jerel Ifil

    Jerel Ifil Well-Known Member

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    A few things:

    - I reiterate that Gradel is a better player than Sinclair and Dyer. He really won't want to sit on your bench, and what would be the point of a newly-promoted Premiership club making a signing just to be a reserve? Relegation mentality. Not that it'll happen in a thousand years if £1.5m really is the figure.

    - I think Gradel would be happy to leave if we accepted an offer and Swansea offered him better wages. He's more loyal than the average journeyman I think but a move to the Premiership helps him secure his future, puts him in the shop window once relegated and raises his profile. Don't think he'll kick up a fuss while at Leeds though, he seems pretty happy to finish his contract and see where it goes from there.

    - Crowds do play a large part in winning games. However I don't think the example of Newcastle was a very good one - they were relegated with a midtable Premiership squad who'd just been totally mismanaged. When Leeds get promoted, I think we will find ourselves in a relegation dogfight rather than effortlessly getting into the midtable like Newcastle have done. However we will have a lot more money to spend than Swansea and Norwich due to increased commercial revenue, TV money etc. due to Leeds' global 'brand'.

    - We couldn't care less about not winning the League One trophy. Clubs like Norwich and Swansea seem really proud of it, but it's just an embarrassment to have that sitting next to major European and domestic trophies in our cabinet.
     
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  9. Spanish white

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    u seem a little rattled Jager...........

    come and have a san miquel with me.... i know its only banter.....<hug>

    you were the best team we played last year and i was pleased for you that u went
    up.....

    i remember when you got up to the old first division with Toshak !!
    great attacking footbal at the Vetch Field.....

    :emoticon-0127-lipss ok no more form me.... i did not want to up set u
     
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  10. Jerel Ifil

    Jerel Ifil Well-Known Member

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    To be fair, Cardiff mauled us 4-0 at Elland Road and beat us away. They were the best side we faced last season; Swansea were easy to beat at Elland Road. 1-0 up and they bottled it.
     
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  11. Jager

    Jager Well-Known Member

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    And we completely dominated you at the liberty, at one stage with about 80% possession, the most one sided game I have seen the swans play in many a year, so your point being?
     
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  12. Jerel Ifil

    Jerel Ifil Well-Known Member

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    They dominated us twice, you dominated us once.
     
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  13. Jager

    Jager Well-Known Member

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    Not at all, you Leeds fans seem to take rumours as facts, I doubt that the swans are really even interested in this player, now please continue your meltdown, having fun!
     
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  14. Jager

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    Can I ask, do you like being dominated, or you just quackers? :)
     
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  15. Jerel Ifil

    Jerel Ifil Well-Known Member

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    I like being dominated but only by Welsh people. Pretty reliable buzz from Cardiff who we haven't beaten since 1985, a strong team indeed.
     
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  16. Spanish white

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    Jager i was trying to be nice......

    but its ok....u play with the big boys and lets see how u fair!!!
     
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  17. Jager

    Jager Well-Known Member

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    Yes strong team














    of loanees ;)









    And they bottled didn't they? You are in a stronger position than they are to get promoted, you seem to be a year or two behind us with things ;)
     
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  18. MarkoLUFC

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    You're extremely naive if you believe club size has nothing to do with success. The monetary advantage we have due to being a much larger club than most other promotion candidates will make a big difference. It means we will be able to offer wages that are that little bit higher, as well as being generally a more attractive club. Who wouldn't want to be a part of one of the most famous clubs in the country?

    As for Newcastle easing into mid table, maybe they were at a slight advantage. I expect us to make lower mid table at least in our first season back. I don't see us being in the relegation fight on survival weekend. This, however, depends on how serious Bates and Grayson are about building a foundation. Time will tell!
     
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  19. Jager

    Jager Well-Known Member

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    Again garbage, if crowd size had to do with anything, you and forest would have gone up instead of us and QPR who virtually had the same crowd size, as for history, stop living in it otherwise you will falter, history wins you nothing! And robinson and bessone certainly wanted to be part of your club, didn't they?

    And we can offer that lad far higher wages than you can, and offer him something you can't. and that is premier league football now!
     
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  20. MarkoLUFC

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    Yes, Bessone is leaving because HE doesn't want to be part of the club. It has nothing to do with the fact that he's completely and utterly useless.

    It saddens me that you think that 5 or 6 games a season of premier league football is a more attractive prospect than playing every week in the championship. For bench monkeys who are just there to get their paycheque and go home, maybe, but Max Gradel is hungry, he wants to be on the pitch. He's unhappy when he's not. He PLAYS for his shirt, which is something you fans seem to think your manager won't let him do if you were to sign him.

    Simply being in the premier league doesn't make your club a more attractive prospect, you are forgetting all the other technicalities, like actually being able to offer players first team football. Players playing first team football in the championship are very unwise to take the step up if all they are being offered is reserve team football and the opportunity to keep a seat on the bench warm.
     
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