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Time over talent and judging too soon

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  1. BCR

    BCR Well-Known Member

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    http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/espnfcunited/id/12893?cc=5901

    Paletta suffered from not just not having the time and patience at Anfield but the style and system he was struggling with, Italian league better suits him. Borini is another who was a very promising Chelsea youth and is now plying his trade in the top level but will he ever become a top level consistent player?
     
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  2. jenners04

    jenners04 I must not post porn!

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    is Paletta the one who struggled to get a work permit and had to be sent out on loan all the time? might be thinking of another player.

    Borini may come good, but he needs game time and he isnt going to get much playing for us with Luis and sturridge on fire, also add Sterling and maybe kono to the list.

    don't see Borini any better than a babel type and a lot of lfc fans wanted rid of him, could be the next super sub ie fairlcough, future with us?,doubtful don't see him being consistent enough or scoring enough.
     
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  3. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    may i add..... paletta is not yet at a top club so frankly i don't know if he is actually good enough to be a top 4 player!

    jenners the one you are think of might be leto in greece.

    borini is showing he's prob worth 8 mil or so at sunderland so again good on him but we are still lfc and in need of top 4 players not average to decent or good players who would be mid table more than top 4.

    babel was a lazy guy... borini is a worker. i'll back the worker any day.
     
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  4. jenners04

    jenners04 I must not post porn!

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    leto sounds right cheers,

    borini is another kuyt then, dont see him being as effective for us though sadly, babel had moments of brilliance, havent seen that in borini yet, if we ever do.
     
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  5. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    The crux of the matter is in the very first sentence 'It was a risk'. Every new signing is a risk whether that's a 'potential' being signed or an 'established' - the transition can't ever be a foregone conclusion.
     
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  6. Jürgenmeiʃter

    Jürgenmeiʃter Top top top top top flirt

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    Who sold Insua?

    At Ath Madrid now
     
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  7. jenners04

    jenners04 I must not post porn!

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    cant remember mate, wasn't roy was it?, as he brought in ****ing konchelsky, or was he already gone by then.
     
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  8. BCR

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    Insua started most games for Rafa the year we got 7th and Rafa was sacked after so it probably was Roy. He went to Lisbon first I believe.
     
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  9. Livtor

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    I don't get the drift of the article.
     
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    BCR Well-Known Member

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    Are clubs judging players too soon and branding them a fail or is it that with the pace of everything these days is it these players who need time to settle and grow normally don't get that time to become the star or realize their potential.
     
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  11. Livtor

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    "But once they (clubs) have taken that calculated gamble, it seems unfair to be so quick to rush to judgment."

    "They (young players) are purchased, they are tested and they are deemed to have failed."

    "They (LFC) took a chance but were not prepared to offer one. "




    And the epitome of this sentiment is a young starling of 28 years old, playing at Parma?
     
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  12. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    It's an interesting article imo, but not something that is easily corrected. We can't keep every promising player at the club through to their mid 20's we have to make a judgement call at some point and at times that call is made too soon.

    Suso would be a good example at the moment, he is obviously talented and a young player that may improve some may rate him some are not so sure.
    We should not have a knee jerk reaction at this point and sell, if Rodgers feels he is not quite ready loan him out again, we could even go as far as to give him a new contract but without a doubt we should see how he develops and not just move him on because if he does improve he could save us a huge transfer fee or at least command a decent fee as he gets older.
     
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  13. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    You've spelt that wrong it should be 'example'!
     
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  14. Livtor

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    Epitome is right. Check with Plato and come back.
     
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  15. Livtor

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    Cream rises obstinately to the top. Upon a second, third or even fourth chance. See Matic (a much better example than Paletta), proving Chelsea wrong, who credit to them, admitted the blunder willingly and paid for the shortsight.

    Obviously nowadays big clubs have many more players in their payroll, preferring to interchange with reserves, 'farming' or loaning clubs. Hence, the turnover is greater and the windows of opportunities for players more fleeting. Clubs are bound to make mistakes in their calls about some players, which will be the boon of the buying club. That's the beauty of life.

    On the other hand, if things were like 20 years ago when payrolled players were far fewer and turnover was slower, players like Paletta wouldn't be receiving that first call from Europe to begin with.
     
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  16. RogerisontheHunt

    RogerisontheHunt Well-Known Member

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    Think your thinking of Mark Gonzalez, the Chilean Winger. We tried to loan him from Albacete but the WP was turned down we eventually bought him (the year after) and then cause of work permit problems had to send him to Real Sociedad for a season.

    He is another example of judging a player at a young age. 21 when he actually got to play for us and only got the one season. Unfortunately he's never made it, never been at a club long enough to make a lasting impression, but he did have alot of potential.
     
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  17. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    Palletta isn't the 'epitome' of young talent not being given a chance, and I don't think that's how it comes across in the article - he's an example of it.

    Plato says I'm right <ok>
     
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  18. Livtor

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    I said 'the epitome of the writer's sentiment'.

    Are you perhaps missing the jabs on CCC's thread that you feel you have to nickpick at me for nothing <laugh>
     
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    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    Quit it you two or you'll both go over my knee! :emoticon-0116-evilg
     
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    In all seriousness I picked up on your comment because I didn't feel Palletta was the epitome [whether you mean the writers sentiment or not]. He's just one example.
    Sorry if you're feeling a bit touchy. This probably won't help matters .... nickpick <laugh> I think you mean nitpick.
     
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