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Guardiola and Liverpool?

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Livtor, Mar 12, 2014.

  1. I meant purely in having to pay the debt incurred to increase the stadium. We don't have the land / housing to sell off like Arsenal but nor will we have the same size bill.
     
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  2. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    theirs is apparently paid for and 120mil in cash sits in accounts.... lfc will not do that so model must be different. stadium will take 10-15 years min to pay and we won't be hoarding cash either. i think fsg will let us spend it unlike wenger who refused every time
     
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  3. It is now, I was meaning the last ten years.

    FSG will sell the naming rights, increase sponsorship and executive boxes etc. If it was me, I'd aim to operate on the financial footing (stadium based only) we currently operate with any additional seating and boxes buying the debt. It means we get a increased capacity now but don't see the benefit (in the squad) until the debt is cleared.

    Get the debt paid as quickly as possibly to give us a better long term footing.
     
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    ok so my opinion of what went on at arsenal might differ to yours.

    wenger in his wisdom choose to avoid spending himself and turned a title side to an also ran where players just fled every time ala nasri, hleb, rvp and he ended up panic buying too much near the end

    arsenal imo could have spent 50 mil at any time in any of the last 8 years without any issue to the club and frankly wenger didn't

    thats the model i steadfastly want to avoid. we are 7th going up not 1st doing down. we must build AND buy players

    i think your point on stadium naming, executive boxes and such is well made indeed but we simply must not fail to continue to deliver at minimum out of stadium revenue to the team... ie all that asian revenue and tv money from cl goes to team too. send 30mil per year on players not 20 and certainly not only 10.

    so i hope this sets out my view of the failure in arsenal that in the long term under a new manager might pay off but for now has seen them become also rans who have to scrap for 4th
     
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  5. Arsenal always claimed to have money to spend but I don't believe they did, I think it was just a front. Those players you named left for bigger pay cheques, I think most would have stayed had they coughed up more money but credit where credit is due for sticking to their principles.

    Obviously, we need to build which is why we would continue on our current stadium finances whilst the additional income pays off the debt. We have been building and hopefully we'll have CL money soon too so why wouldn't that continue? Lets face it, the stadiums not going happen in 2014 is it!
     
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  6. Livtor

    Livtor Active Member

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    MITO is bang on regarding Arsenal's stingy unhappy model, imo.

    A couple of things to remember...

    When asked if redeveloping Anfield would impact on Brendan Rodgers ability to move in the transfer market, Henry replied: 'No because it will pay for itself. It’s actually a positive. It’s one of the reasons we are doing it.
    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...eded-redevelopment-Anfield.html#ixzz2vqb3TLUD


    Also, FSG just went through a very similar experience - they spent close to $300m (£200m) in renovating Boston Red Sox's Fenway Park and managed to win the league for the first time in (gulp) 86 years, and twice over after that.

    Which is all very good to know, and gives us strong hope they will want LFC to be very competitive.
     
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  7. Livtor

    Livtor Active Member

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    Der Kaiser seems to have a strong opinion, like some of us, re Guardiola's style...


    "Following Bayern’s 1-1 draw against Arsenal, Beckenbauer appeared to criticise Guardiola’s tactics. “If that’s the philosophy then we’ll have a lot of 'fun' in the future,” Beckenbauer said on Sky. “Then they’ll become like Barcelona, who are unwatchable because they pass the ball backwards when on the goal line.” Speaking to German tabloid Bild on Wednesday, Beckenbauer clarified his comments. “The criticism was first of all against Barcelona’s style of play, back and forth just like in the Circus Sarrasani.”
     
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    BCR Well-Known Member

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    La Liga: 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11
    Copa del Rey: 2008–09, 2011–12
    Supercopa de España: 2009, 2010, 2011
    UEFA Champions League: 2008–09, 2010–11
    UEFA Super Cup: 2009, 2011
    FIFA Club World Cup: 2009, 2011


    Very boring! <ok>

    He will have to adjust but I think at Bayern he has the pieces to adjust. I would love to see him take a Sevilla, Schalke, Marseille, type of team where not everything is in place and see if those same tactics can apply. I think Rodgers has shown they can but they have to be tweaked and adjusted at the right times and against the right teams.

    The pressing though with all of Guardiola's teams is so good though, real joy to watch that hunger to defend as a unit.
     
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  9. Livtor

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    I have no doubt in Guardiola's drive, work, tactical nous, success. He's convinced me in that regard and I respect him. I can't stand his style though. He is my natural football brain enemy.

    The pressing, you mention, his teams are a bunch of anklebiting mongeese, the worst being that if you do less to them they fall over and cry like pansies. They intimidate and con referees, commit cynical fouls... Not for me.
     
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    Maybe at Barca but not so much at Bayern. I get you have the likes of a Robben, Martinez, Dante who can go down a bit easy but would find it hard to see a Schweinsteiger flopping about! I think Bayern is giving him the plateu to tweek his style. He is bringing in Lewandowski who does well with his back to goal so that will be interesting.
     
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  11. That bit is pretty much what i was saying. It won't impact, positively or negatively. It will remain the same. Additional income will be used to buy for developments.
     
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  12. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    i don't think guadiola is bring anyone in at bayern i think others are doing it.
     
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    ??? They would surely have to speak with him? Thiago is 100% Guardiola! Gotze came over as he wanted to play for Guardiola, even Klopp admitted that, and can play the false 9. Lewandowski might be more of the board possibly but we will see how he is used or not used.
     
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  14. Livtor

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    Schweinsteiger... Respek! Totally.

    However, besides him - you have plenty of players who Guardiola is slowly tuning futher into diabolical... Robben, Ribery, Dante, Martinez, Alaba, Thiago, Goetze, Rafinha, Muller... even Lahm FFS (his fall before Podolski scored was typical ****e).
     
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    bayern are not as good as last year, near but not quite as the guy is not shaping style to players to shoehorning players to style. bayern like target men... he doesn't.
     
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    I don't understand why you would want rid of BR? We don't have 100s of millions to spend so Guardiola would fail anyway.
     
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    I don't get who you are addressing.
     
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  18. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    Guardiola is a fantastic coach. Barcelona were struggling when he took over and had some big ego's that needed shifting. He took a good team and made it into one of the best teams in the history of the game. You only have to look at Barcelona now and see the difference.

    Granted, he did take over a very strong Bayern team but it looks like he's making them stronger.

    All in all, he's been lucky to have such positions but I think he is a great coach. His name alone commands respect from players and they want to work for him.

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    With Rodgers, I think we have a man that could be here for many years, building a young, aggressive team that wins. We seem to have developed that winning mentality now and we go into every game expecting a win. This team was low on confidence when he took over and to establish the mindset and confidence is incredibly difficult to achieve. But to do it in 1 year is astonishing.

    He has a lot to learn but he's young, ambitious and hungry - one of the few British managers that is quite cultured and travelled to different parts of Europe, learning from styles.
     
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  19. Livtor

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    I agree Guardiola is a great coach, who more than raise Barca's game up a good notch from Rijkaard, instilled in them a clear footballing philosophy. However you can respect someone without wanting their services. If a genius hoofball coach showed up, a Pulis 4.0, and he had this wondrous nack of building teams of stormtroopers and red barons of the sky, I wouldn't want him either.

    Re Rodgers: my respect for him has grown a lot this year. On top of effective attacking tactics and an insistence on technical work, he just might have also a genius gentle touch for communications and man-management, which is necessary in long-term projects.
     
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    Not sure about that. He was handed a team with Iniesta, Messi, Xavi, Ronaldhino, Eto, Deco, Marquez and Puyol in it.

    They were near the relegation zone when Frank Rijkaard took over in 2003 but had won back to back league titles and a European cup by 2006, you could say that Guardiola took them to the next level but all the hard work was done by Rijkaard.
     
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