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Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by THFC6061, Mar 2, 2014.

  1. Boss

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    Bringing on Parker was a move to offer protection while still pushing forward as Villa could have hit us on the counter.

    Redknapp had nothing to gain by not trying to win so you can say in your opinion he made the wrong sub but it's nothing to do with bottle as Redknapp has never shyed away from a challenge.
     
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    Redknapp had a bank account in his dog's name. I'm sorry, but that's immensely dodgy.
    I'm not sure why you think his character and his actions should be ignored. They're not cheap shots, they're actual reasons.
    He utterly undermined his own position, completely contradicted himself and then tried to play hardball with Levy when he was going through a horrible time in his life. That's why he got sacked.

    March: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/mar/23/harry-redknapp-tottenham-england
    The players don't care about my contract.
    June: http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/154006.html
    It doesn't work if the players know my contract's running out next season.
     
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    Levy and Redknapp parted on good terms as I mentioned to you before and a poster who can't be be mentioned anymore confirmed the reasons you state about his sacking aren't true.

    Levy sacked Redknapp as he decided to go down a different route, that's why and it had nothing to do with your suggestion over Redknapp demanding a contract.

    And yes you're making cheap shots re his character or what happened while he was at Portsmouth, as they have no relevance to his time with us.

    But what does it matter Pnp as we've had this exact discussion before and you will believe what you choose to believe.
     
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    What poster that can't be mentioned? You've lost me.
    What does Levy and Redknapp parting on good terms have to do with the reasons that I mentioned?

    Deciding to go a different route isn't a reason. Why did Levy decide to replace the manager? On field performances wouldn't indicate that it was necessary, would they?
    You admit that he deserved another year based upon the season that we'd had, so why didn't he get one?

    I didn't mention Portsmouth once. His character is entirely relevant, though. Why wouldn't it be?

    I'm not choosing to believe anything, either. I'm following the evidence. Just because somebody says something, that doesn't automatically make it true.
    Not only did Redknapp get the sack, but there wasn't exactly a long line of clubs waiting to snap him up once he'd gone, either. He did a good job, but his actions obviously put other chairmen off.
     
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    The main debate over Redknapp has been for footballing reasons. You have decided to focus on other aspects and they are based around your own personal view of his character, so there's no point in discussing that as we just go round in circles and you mentioned the account which was opened while at Portsmouth.

    But one part we can agree on is that Redknapp done a very good job and in reality that's what he should be remembered for, the job he done.
     
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    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    So glad I didn't have to witness yet another woeful display. Luckily for me I was at the O2 witnessing some fantastic MMA which included the added privilege of seeing the best light heavyweight in Europe - Alexander Gustafsson (really hope Jon Jones beats Texeira in order to see a Jones vs Gustafsson part 2!). It's the first time in a long, long while I've completely missed anything to do with a Spurs match, I refused to watch any highlights as quite frankly it'd just depress me. When I checked the result after one of the fights, I genuinely didn't feel angry or upset, just "oh look, another Spurs-esque **** up", plus my experience at UFC was just too good to have allowed my mood to change anyway.

    I've still yet to see anything from the game and I don't want too either, Spurs have massively disappointed their fans this season. I can live with losses but some of the performances of our losses we've incurred have been nothing short of an utter embarrassment and the fact we sit where we are in the table is a miracle.

    I don't know who to point the finger at for such an underwhelming season anymore. The manager(s)? Neither seem(ed) able to get the best out of a full squad, one or two individuals may have shone but it's a team effort required. The players? Most of them don't look as though they give a **** about our club, there's no fight or determination anymore and if that's their attitude then they can **** off. The board? It's clear that in recent years our manager's have had problems with the higher hierarchy and it's effects have filtered down onto the pitch. The fans? Sure we could get behind the team more with a better atmosphere at WHL but with the shower of **** we've had to witness since the last part of Redknapp's reign, can we really be blamed for being somewhat dull and lacking enthusiasm?

    The prospect of facing Benfica, Arsenal, Benfica in the space of 7 days really isn't getting me excited like it should be. A damn shame. Thanks Tottenham, thanks very much.
     
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    I must watch some of this UFC
     
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  8. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Would highly recommend it Spurm.

    Not only is it serving more and more as somewhat of an anti-depressant to the Spurs results but you don't have to support anyone and end up being disappointed if they lose! You just cheer and appreciate the effort both fighters have put in to put on a great show of MMA.
     
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    I meant to watch it on saturday after a locker-room discussion about it at the gym, because it was on ch5 (i believe). But i forgot like a donut (blaming Spurs). What channel is it normally on? Sky sports?
     
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    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Ah right lol.

    I taped the Channel 5 coverage to see if I could see myself in the crowd, I was literally on the camera for about half a second <laugh>.
     
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    Thats like my claim to fame of being on the footage on final score (or more likely Grandstand back then) walking down the steps at the Lane looking miserable after a 1-1 draw with Notts Forest.
     
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    We're appealing the Kaboul red card, apparently. He won't get off.
     
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    I saw the first Gustafsson v Jones fight, one of the few rematches I'm looking forward to as Gustafsson can clearly match Jones and I'll back him to win this time.

    What did you make of Jimi Manuwa? hard to say if hes completely out of his depth as Gustafsson is the number 1 contender, Manuwa wasn't ready for someone of Gustafssons class as his previous fights have been agaisnt much lower quality and I watched the fight. Gustafsson looks as ready as I've seen any fighter, confident and eager to win the belt.
     
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    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Yeah definitely, in my opinion Gustafsson marginally won the original title match, genuinely believed we had a new LHW champ so I'm buzzing for the rematch and like you, will back Gustafsson to get the job done this time. I'm a huge fan of his and was a privilege to see him live Saturday night.

    As for Jimi, I believe he can become a top 5 LHW with the right training, he has that raw power that most in the division probably couldn't handle but prior to the Gustafsson fight, he'd not fought a single fighter ranked in the top 15 and so to go straight into a battle with the number 1 contender who many would argue should be champion, was probably asking too much. Deep down, it's fair to say every British fan knew in their head that Gustafsson was going to come out on top in the fight but there was that hope the Jimi would catch him with a couple of his power hits and potentially cause an upset. In the post fight conference, they asked Manuwa if he'd be interested in doing some training with Gustafsson, to which both replied positively too and if that happens, that could seriously help Manuwa improve his overall game, similar to what Gustafsson done when he lost to Phil Davis and look how that's paid dividends.

    This weekend will be a good event to watch too, Johnny Hendricks is fighting Robbie Lawler for the vacant Welterweight belt. Hendricks should already have the belt, he beat the **** out of Georges St Pierre and **** knows how the judges scored it a GSP win, no wonder GSP has taken some time off, probably didn't want to fight Hendricks again anytime soon!
     
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    That was one of the better fights I've seen recently and yes Hendricks left GSP's face resembling a mashed up Pizza! but one thing to remember is that we see the fight differently as fans and not sure if you saw the fight replays but they ran through the fight and commentated from the view of the judge and it showed that the fight was closer then we fans viewed, as GSP may have looked battered yet Hendricks just didn't do enough to win the fight. He couldn't knock out GSP, nor could he win the fight without leaving it to the judges so while it looked unfair, GSP survived!

    I'm pretty sure GSP had some personal issues and was stating before the fight he may leave for a while but no doubt the power from Hendricks played a part!

    .....Lawler V Hendricks? didn't know that was on this weekend, Big fight for Hendricks as he has to win the vacant title, otherwise he be remembered for being a valiant loser in title fights.

    One of my favourite fighters was Shane Carwin, shame he got lost in the heavyweight division as the new style of heavyweight fighters meant he couldn't compete but boy could he throw a power punch!
     
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    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Like Dana White said though, this was a fight and clear evidence of GSP's face would suggest Hendricks won that fight. Dana said along the lines of "the whole point of a fight is to beat up your opponent and that's exactly what Johnny done". Granted the judges have to score things to the rules but a top ranking MMA site (can't remember which one), had a good number of "experts" scoring the fight from their view and all gave Hendricks the win too.

    Yeah in fairness GSP has mentioned he's got issues that need dealing with, was just probably an awkward time for him to call it a break after a fight that he won on questionable grounds.

    I find it hard to have favourite fighters as there are so many I enjoy watching it's unreal. Carwin was awesome though.
     
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    Is this about Spurs v Chelsea fan fights after games?
     
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    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Haha, sorry Tots we got a bit carried away there.
     
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    Bit late but this game was a total car crash. Ridiculous starting line up, we had about 7 first choice outfield players available yet only 4 were played in their natural position and Walker was played in a position nthat he's virtually untried in at Spurs. Not helped by another bad penalty call and resulting red card and goal but there was already so much going wrong that it's hard to dwell on that.

    As far as Sherwood goes, that was it for me. The constantly crap line ups and lack of consistency in tactics is destroying our players. It's no wonder defenders are making mistakes, they're spending 90 miniutes of pressure because in every game the 6 ahead of them are totally disorganised making us sitting ducks against any quality side. I can live with all that but his criticism of the players after the game was ****ing shameful, it wasn't a lack of "guts" that lost us the game, it was the drain of trying to follow the instructions of a manager that's utterly out of his depth.

    With Arsenal and Liverpool looking set to finish above us and in the top 4 and on top of that Arsenal looking set for the FA Cup, plus a tortuous 9 league games for us to go, it all seems a bit bleak at the moment. I still have belief in the team though, we have a lot of quality and exciting talent that has laid dormant under the 2 managers we've had this season and if we can bring in a top manager in the summer I think we can be positive again. Until next season though it's time to dig in and get behind the team, if not the manager, we need more of the kind of positivity and support that we gave Soldado replicated across the side.
     
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    "Until next season though it's time to dig in and get behind the team, if not the manager, we need more of the kind of positivity
    and support that we gave Soldado replicated across the side."

    Vert will probably be hard-pushed to get that degree of support now.
     
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