OT: Frank and Dave's Philosophical Kebab Emporium

what do you think to the theory that we evolved from both apes (homo sapiens) and also from the water?

is evidence that we evolved from apes to what we class today as human, but is a theory that we also evolved from the water as well, we split into 2 and went both land as well as water ie mermaids (scientific evidence of sounds made not known to man) if anyone can explain what they was i am all ears, as i am sure i will get mocked for thinking that's a possibility.

animals have evolved to adapt to living on land to living in water and visa versa, so must come a point where we can communicate, didn't someone post we are close to actually understanding dolphin language? no dif to we cant even decipher man made communication from hundreds of years ago, so if we cant even understand what our ancestors have done, what chance do we have of understanding the future or animals?

all this money available in the world for answers, yet we choose to go into space to **** that up as well as our own planet with pointless wars that only suit voting purposes, suppose we should be grateful for entrepreneurs for answers, or try, or we would be even more ****ed than we are.

dave,

first one, no you hadn't hit a nerve (if anything felt it was the other way round)

2nd fair enough, don't want to fall out other something so silly, we each have our own opinion, i like answers and i do challenge everything, (why i have had a few promotions) my problem is i am not an ass licker lol

any way, lets win this ****ing title and bring some sanity back to this discussion lol (its a distant dream) let you know after coward webb has refed the dodgy game of the season, if we stand a chance, bias dirty manc ****!

 

What, you do not believe in evolution yourself?

To your question... Yes, we are unique in the evolutionary sense. And if we die out to the last man, I can't see our knowledge footprint being matched on earth for the next 200M years, as there's no species out there with both opposable thumbs and complex vocal chords and with any realistic chance of mutating/selection toward anything close to humans in this era.

The clusterfuck scenario I see is most of us dying out and a tiny minority (people of means) surviving in exclusive protected venues - surroundings which will prompt evolution within them.

 

Personally I think we will overcome any difficulties that face us and ultimately end up living in a scientific utopia

 

Exactly what Cornelius was saying to Taylor.

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the communication with dolphins bit has ****all to do with god, very little to do with actual (physical) sciences, and much to do with the social "sciences".

The main question here seems to be: As our two species' needs and environments are so very different, can we ever understand ALL their communication? No.

But since we do share similar concerns (such as desire to mate and fight for mates, desire to coddle our young, territoriality, fear of predator, social hierarchies - discrimination of the weak and reverence of the strong), in those overlapping aspects we'll be able to gain a greater understanding of dolphins, monkeys, lions, wolves, chickens, everton fans, etc.

 

was a question aimed at afcftw, so not sure why you need to tell me it has nothing to do with god, as i know that already!

rest i agree with.

man should concentrate firstly on understanding each other, and then maybe we have a chance at everything else.

 

I know you know, jenners. ...was directed at others who may not know

 

Others who may not know what?

 

Sorry Jenners but both you and Livtor are wrong because you don't know that "it has nothing to do with God". You may think that it does not. You may wish that is does not. However, until you can categorically prove that God does not exist then you cannot know.

 

Everton fans is just ludicrous Liv!

Do I believe in Evolution? Yes I do, I phrased my question purposely so as not to get "it didn't happen responses from people who didn't believe. I wanted answers to my follow up questions that necessarily required the belief as a prerequisite.

I believe the fossil records clearly indicate species change and development over millions of years.

As to answering my own questions. I believe humans have almost limitless capacity for development both in species and in the good they could achieve on and for this planet (and eventually off it).

I unfortunately also think that there is enough recent historical evidence to suggest that our short term greed and materialism will destroy us, either directly through war... Or I actually think we are getting now to the point in our scientific discoveries that we could unleash forces beyond our control because we simply could. Ironically there's a risk with this religion/science divide of removing morality from science which is as dangerous as science driven by twisted moral superiority.

An example..we've invested millions in genetic research for crops, as well as actually going against evolution in reducing crop species variation (dangerous in itself) but haven't created a new level of antibiotics since 1973. Superbug mortality rates in Italy for example are now at 50%!

Edit: May be 1987 depending on sources...

Of course it could out of our hands. Look at bee populations disappearing. Serious enough consequences coming with that (regardless of cause) but imagine if it was Ants....we'd be in serious trouble.

 

that communication with dolphins has ... see post 505

 

Until you learn the difference between the physical and social sciences then you really should refrain from making comments like you did in #505

 

It's getting precarious, certainly. The best analogy I've come across is... Humanity riding a horse that is getting more powerful by each minute. If we are fast and wise enough to learn the ropes midflight - it can become our Pegasus, if not it will hurl our sorry asses by the ditch. Though the Pegasus comparison is generous enough to give our Zeus/God-fearing posters here some free ammunition

 

And you know this, how?

Frank - how could a person not believe in evolution?

 

I think lots of people who believe in a God have never considered evolution, fossils, dinosaurs etc. I don't see those things as a challenge to my faith but I can understand that those who've never thought about it, may find it hard to fit in with their belief. It is an intellectual concept and not taught routinely in school so unless a person has a desire or a liking for scientific theories and concepts, they may not ever enter their consciousness.

 

I was taught it as part of my biology class at high school and that's a while back now lol.


Schools are increasingly the "battle ground", particularly in the US. The debate about whether creationism should be taught as an alternative theory in science classes or relegated solely to RE.

I've always found it strange that a country that went to great lengths to separate church and state (prayers are illegal in us state schools) allows this religious influence to happen in the science class when it's incongruous to scientific methodology.

Yet here, where there is no separation of church and state, and where a Christian slanted RE (as opposed to a class where children are taught purely about the world's religions) is part of the state school syllabus, christian prayers are said at assembly, Christian holidays observed etc etc are intolerant of creationism being taught as an equal theory in the science class room. ...Well, until these new independent schools were allowed anyway.

 

Can you categorically prove that the rabbits don't worship a sun-god called Frith?

 

So its possible for human beings to.

Drink like fish
Kick like a mule
Eat like a horse
Be as hungry as a bear
Be as blind as bat
Sing like a bird


Evolution is really ****ed up.

 

DD, grow up. You already know that you can't answer a question with another question. But if you want to go down that road then can you actually prove that you exist?