sunderland are ****.

Sammy has a point Bri.
Like it or not the final league table will be the judge of how ANY team has fared over a 38 game season.
Cup glory only goes to the winners.
I should know, we blew two FA Cup finals in my lifetime and no one ever talks about the cup runs on or off the forum.
I hope you lads stop up though as I've said on lots of occasions.

 

Well lets wait till that is upon us then. I'd take last day safety and these two cup runs over a mid table safety at Christmas all day long fella. You say nobody talks about your cup runs, are they going to talk about this season for years to come in Newcastle? Doubt it fella. Besides why be so wrapped up in what's worth remembering in the future when you can just enjoy the now? Micky Mouse Cup runner up we may be in your eyes, to us it was the club's fans coming together and creating our own celebration and having a good time. Did you really expect us to sit and sulk through this cup run? Life to short, we had fun.

 

Long way to go, Sunderland have clearly been ****e in the league this season but they still might get out as so many others have been ****e aswell.

 

We were ****e untill we first beat you back in October, we've been picking up points at a steady mid table rate since fella. Nothing spectacular but far from ****e.

Arsenal 4-1 Sunderland lost
Sunderland 0-2 Hull lost
Newcastle 0-3 SunderlandPoints picked up
Sunderland 1-0 StokePoints picked up
Sunderland 2-2 Southampton Points picked up
Fulham 1-4 Sunderland Points picked up
Sunderland 0-1 Aston VillaLost
Cardiff 2-2 SunderlandPoints picked up
Everton 0-1 SunderlandPoints picked up
Sunderland 0-0 Norwich Points picked up
West Ham 0-0 Sunderland Points picked up
Sunderland 1-2 Tottenham lost
Sunderland 3-4 Chelsea lost
Aston Villa 0-0 Sunderland Points picked up
Stoke 2-0 Sunderland lost
Sunderland 1-0 Man CityPoints picked up
Hull 1-0 Sunderland lost
Sunderland 2-1 Newcastle Points picked up

 

Obviously you can pick and choose moments where you haven't **** but the reality is you are second bottom with 12 games to go i.e. two thirds of the season moreorless gone. Its a ****e league season whichever way its dressed up. Its probably not going to be anything other than a ****e league season bar a ridiculous run of wins. Many Sunderland fans were talking about comfortable in mid table, some thinking top 10. The ambitions/aims have obviously had to change. As I said earlier despite a horrible performance in the league and sitting with 24 points from 26 games, the good thing is you are not adrift and it could be a record low to survive.

 

I'm not picking and choosing unlike the timing of the op, everybody in the world knows we were **** before we played you in October, The team were virtually on strike under PDC with new players yet to gel. I didn't choose to post this thread mid December fella, If it had happened to coincide with our poor run under PDC it would be completely valid and I probably wouldn't have commented on here full stop due to the credibility of the OP. It's the timing of the thread that has led me to fight my clubs corner here and I think my points are valid. You're right, the league has been poor this year, but even if it was better I'd expect the a similar situation from Sunderland's results this season, only instead of a ten team relegation battle it would only be a five or six game relegation battle. There's always going to be half a dozen poor teams every season. Like I said, it's the timing of the OP which as made my points valid and Sunderland's results since it was posted just so happen to support my argument right through the thread.

 

You are picking and choosing though. In response to my post about you having a ****e league season (which you have), you have took a portion of games you feel you have done better in. Whether earlier season, supposed bad decisions, manager changes, tough fixtures or otherwise, the bottom line is Sunderland are 19th out of 20 teams with two thirds of the season gone.

The one thing that does stand out in those results you have selected is a failure to beat teams around you, particularly at home. If that doesn't change, then you are probably looking at a sorry end to the season.

 

You said we've been ****e this season but we haven't, we were ****e for the first 8 games, then showed Mid table form. You're the one who started picking and choosing as this thread is only relevant as of 10th of december when, might I add, we we're 7 games into the run of form I'm speaking of now which has been maintained.

You had a spell of only picking up 4 points from 27 games, you don't see me using that to define your season do you? Think about it?

We had a **** start, true, but we've clawed back from being 7 points a drift to being well within a chance of staying up when everybody said we were already down. Damn right I'm going to defend our form.

None of this matters of course until the season ends, in the meantime I'm entitled to fight my clubs corner.

 

This is straw clutching stuff. The season is 38 games long, its not about bits and pieces of form. The season is currently 26-29 games long. I have simply judged the performance over that period. If you are 2nd bottom after hoping to be top half, you've had a ****e season. I'd say the same if it was us. Of course you are not going to have a go at our league form, we are comfortable in 8th exceeding expectations. At no point have we picked 4 points from 27 games

As for relevant from December onwards, don't be silly. If anything he posted it in December so was probably an assessment of the season up to that point. Regardless I'm not OP so I'm not sure what you're getting at? I have simply chosen to comment on Sunderlands performance this season (which has been ****e) on a thread discussing whether they ****e. I wouldn't be so over sensitive about it. You've had a **** season, it can still be rescued. Would have been worse if you'd be cut off. As it is 10 teams are in a battle.

 

What don't you get? I disagree because I've watched every single game and we've shown mid table form consistently for the majority of the season, I'm not denying we had 8 games of disaster. I thought it was about opinions and we were discussing them? Ok I'll let you discuss it with yourself?

 

Don't know why I put games in there

Obviously I meant 4 points from a possible 27

 

So you think you haven't been ****e overall? They are some low expectations. You've ****ing terrible in the main. Yeah chucked a few good games in there against the top 8 but a terrible record against the lower half. Haven't been unlucky either, just really ****e. If it doesn't improve you'll go down.

 

If you get relagated then yes we will talk about it for years.

 

You have to remember (or maybe you're just learning this) but I thought we'd struggle this year, and we have. But we've dragged our self away from certain relegation, which was so bad people were talking about getting a record low total, so yes we're doing alight considering wouldn't you say? To the point we've passed the expectations of most, especially those who had completely written us off. I'll always defend the character we've shown to give ourselves a fighting chance, if we did stay up it would be the biggest **** you to you all and I'll be on here reminding you all of such. But watch me eat humble pie if we don't. It's just the kind of bloke I am.

 

Funny, we hardly mention yours. You are a bit obsessive when it comes to us though. Nice of you to pop on here since your ban. You've got to get a Sunderland bitch fix somehow. Back to ignore for you then, I prefer your mate with the brain

 

Sorry but pre season the expectations were fairly lofty from most (couldn't comment on yours). Obviously many had to adjust those expectations after a horrible start but surely what is expected pre season is what you have to base the success of a season on? It wasn't just Sunderland fans either, many in the media thought they'd be ok without pulling up any trees.

It wouldn't be a big **** you to me. I hope and expect you to somehow scrape through. I like the derbies. I just think it has been a pretty horrific season where your players have let you down badly. PDC is now the sole reason given for it but the reality is under performance at crucial times has continued under Poyet. Now he may look like an Uruk Hai from Uruguay but his record suggests he's a decent manager. That leaves the players with questions to answer because if you can beat the likes of Citeh, Newcastle (2), Everton, Chelsea, Man U all in the same season, then they should have picked up more from the others.

The only issue now is the cup runs have set you quite a physical challenge with a congested fixture list. You look tired physically and mentally yesterday. Next two games are massive, lose both and I think you might be struggling.

 

If we can judge how good a team is by only selecting a very small portion of their games, does that mean if I say I only wish us (Newcastle) to be judged on our last two games does that then mean we're currently in title winning form?

 

Exactly, it ridiculous fella. Condemned for our first 8 games and no credit for the rest of the season that has consisted of dragging ourselves within a chance of staying up, a cup final and a quarter final. Like I said to David Moyes Wife, you don't see people defying Newcastle's season on their mid table slump. We've played 27 games since those first 8.

 

To be fair I agree with DMW and yourself.

Football isn't really about form because if you lose you're first 28 games but win your last 10 you still get relegated and therefore can't say you performed above expectations which is where DMW is coming from. Expectations are set at the start of a season, once it's clear they won't be reached then a season becomes based around hope as all expectation is lost.

In your position for example, you hope to stay up because you've already failed badly to meet your expectations.

I think Sunderland will stay up but purely because you've picked the best season bar none to have the f*ck up of all f*ck ups. It's such a poor bottom half of the table this season. From your perspective you fully expect to stay up as relegation wouldn't really have been in your throught process before a ball was kicked.

However as it some became a reality that expectation turns to hope.

For means nothing as you're only as good as your next game, never mind your last game. For the record I think you'll stay up but I hope to god that you get relegated.

 

That's fair mate.

Has it been poor or more competitive? I mean the top teams have been class this season yet the four horse race may mean the season is won with a low points total. The bottom has been very competitive and still has 10 teams in the mix with 10th 6 points from safety and something like 27 to play for. Everyone is beating each other, it's a very exciting season at both ends. I'd suggest form for most has been hit and miss rather than it being all round poor.