Better without the Allams???

so what's to stop the fans creating a new club, called 'Hull City' by the disillusioned City fans that don't want to support Hull Tigers?

 

Nothing.

 

You wanted to post with credibility so it wouldn't be moved. You started off so well with reasoning then descended in to calling long term, in fact very long term supporters "plastics ****s".
At that point my friend you lost it, please politely stop making a fool of yourself. And try turning up to a live game once in a while.

 

While I do generally agree with what your saying you dont know if there are any local people with enough wealth to invest. When we wanted somebody to take the club off Bartlett most people were saying only the Healey brothers had enough money to buy us and I dont remember anybody mentioning the Allams.

Also if we dont get a local investor why does that mean it will be a foreign investor.

 

What I really can't understand is this fear some people seem to have of the Allams leaving and us getting some mad foreign owner in. We've already got a mad local owner! What exactly are we fearing about someone else? There's only Tan who's been anywhere near as extreme as Allam in terms of unpopular actions as a football owner. It's incredibly unlikely that we'd get someone even crazier than Allam.

 

We had a debate on our board whether we (Bristol City) would rather be where we are, langishing near the bottom of League 1 or be like Cardiff, in the Premier League but run by a guy like Vincent Tan.
Interestingly most people said they would rather be where we are.

 

Disagree he is going it just isnt going to be overnight. He loses the vote the club is up for sale simple as. He will be sorting the money our for just such an eventuality. He can/will stop going to games-so wont hear any abuse. He can sell the players in the summer, the ressies team from last night can all be in the first team squad next season.

How much can he recoup in one go with the sale of Hudd Davies Long Jelavic Sagbo Elmo Chester Mcgregor and any others?

Whether Allam goes in 3 weeks or 3 years he will make sure he gets every penny back he is owed.

Just to be clear I will be going next year as a season pass holder year on year whatever the name and whatever the decision. If he goes it will be a long slow painful journey to the bottom division but hey ho off we go.


Can a mod remove the tards posts its just clutter. Ta

 

20-25 million ?
Where does he get the rest from?

 

£0 unless they want to leave and someone wants to buy them.

 

Rubbish, he sells off the best players, the club drops down the divisions and instantly becomes less valuable. He has no chance of getting his money back this way. The only way he gets his money back is by keeping us in the Premier league, several years of TV money, then he can start thinking of getting his money back.

 

I think had we had the debate when we were there, the outcome would have been the same as your debate. Unfortunately the Premier League dream tends to taint some people and attracts some others, so some see 'success' as the be all and end all.

 

Very poor reply PLT. Thats just sticking your fingers in your ears and going nah nah nah. Our wage bill is too big. 42 million, so sell the players get it down to a ridiculous amount and theres 25 million saved for next season. We get the tv money for three?? or is it 5?? years now. Easy he's gone.

The reality is Allam is going to go if he loses and take back his money, he'll be here until he gets it.

 

You can't just sell players though can you? Three parties have to agree to it. We've got a tight-knit squad here. There's only a handful of players that other clubs would want and how many of them would have bigger clubs coming in for them? The desperation to sell would decrease any fees received anyway.

The only way to make money out of players in football is for the player to be in demand. When bigger clubs are queueing up for a player that's when they're worth a lot. If you're desperate to sell everyone they're worth **** all.

 

Dont be ridiculous. Are you saying our players have sworn undying loyalty to us. GTF. If we stay up our players are in demand.

 

Look.

Reality check.

THERE IS CURRENTLY NO VIABLE WAY MR ALLAM CAN GET ALL HIS MONEY BACK.

 

I really don't think many of them are.

McGregor, Long, Huddlestone and Jelavic would be. Davies might be for a promoted side. Roy doesn't want our lads for England and would rather have the likes of Caulker instead. No one rates us or our players except us.

It doesn't matter anyway though. I've taken this a bit off topic by questioning it. If he wanted to run the club into the ground he could do it I accept that, although probably not by means of selling players imo. The thing that should stop him doing it is it would cost him more money and time in doing so. I doubt he'd get very much back by running the club into the ground. His best chance of getting money back would surely be to sell the club as a PL outfit and ignore the debt (unless someone is stupid enough to pay up for that too). I don't know much about what clubs like ours are worth these days but debt free maybe £40m? He's unlikely to get that much back any other way.

 

How much 'cash' has actually been laid out and how much of the debt is security against loans that have been returning interest and tax benefits?

 

People can support whatever they want to, they can make their own decisions. Why you think everyone has to think like you I don't know. There will be some residue support obviously as it's the city's football team, though that's on the idea that it belongs to the city and not the owner. Some may get used to the name change eventually but others will see it as standing out in a bad way. I've actually never got used to the new stadium being named after a business, it's always made me wince. Yeh of course you just have to accept it, just like a name change for the team, but it just seems to dilute the tradition of the team for some short term agendas.

And fundamentally football is popular because of the tradition and history of it. Without that I honestly believe it would be far less in this country, as arguably there are other sports that could be better as spectator attractions anyway.

 

I see it as removing the tradition of the club because Mr Allam has fallen out with the coucil, show me some real benefit to the name change before you rob me of something I value