And I disagree, the one who has clear sight of the going ons is in charge. Playing as part of a team is to trust your team, you know yourself how Williams being an old fashioned centre half and clearing the ball when he did not trust Tremmel worked out, yes deflections past the keeper into our net. We do not play that way, ever. Trust is a huge thing in a team game, Amat trusted Vorm and pulled out. So if you were in Amat's position, you would happily not trust your keeper to have been making the right choice.
As a defender, you can feel an attacker on your back. You don't need to see them - you can feel them, hear their footsteps, their breath. You know where they are. If you have half a yard on them, you take that opportunity and deal with the ball. Vorm had to wait for the ball to drop before clearing it - Amat could've had it in the stands by then. Opportunistic play by Murray, but if Amat had dealt with it, there would've have been an opportunity in the first place. It's a defensive/communication/decision making error. Vorm should also have been shouting for Amat to clear it.
Well with no Cup or Euro games any more, and a two week break coming up, how does Monk justify those sub's? He threw the game away without doubt, giving Palace the momentum. After seeing Bony going off, I naturally thought Emnes would come on, but to put that useless Lita on was criminal, and taking our Captain off was also criminal, and it is now clear that Monk doesn't have a clue regarding substitution. He surely has to learn fast otherwise he will definitely not get the Managers job permanently come summer, very disappointed with Monks strategy too of sitting on a one goal lead, I know he has been thrown in the deep end, but how many Jacks at the liberty would have taken Bony and Williams off, but if that wasn't bad enough, who watching that game would have brought Lita on?. We need major surgery in the summer....................
Again cannot agree, if Vorm does not run towards Amat, then Amat knows its up to him to deal with it, but with Vorm running towards him, Vorm is in most control, its about trust, again we are not a team that just deals with it, we trust each other. Taylors back pass the other week is a prime example, it was easier to hoof it clear, but we trust each other. And the day we change that is the day we give up the Swansea way. TRUST Or do we only stick to the Swansea way when it suits?
The defender doesn't know what the attacking opponent is doing behind him, with no time to think , the defender should out of bounds it, fundamentals .
Have you never seen a Swansea player stick it in the stands before? We don't always play it out. We hoofed away under Martinez, Sousa, Rodgers and Laudrup...when needed. I agree about trust, but this isn't a trust issue. It's a decision making one. So you see your keeper run out for the ball. He's outside his area, the ball is at an awkward height, he can't use his hands and as he's a goalkeeper he isn't that amazing under pressure with his feet either, you know there's an opposing striker a yard behind you. Weighing up all those options, you leave it for him? Come on, man...
The second half was not good enough at all, and I don't know what was going on with the subs. We should've pursued the win more aggressively and Chico has got himself a ban just as he's got back into bloody form. (i know amat ****ed up but stiill) That said, at least we got a point when we were not at our best against a deceivingly strong Palace team - their form is 19 out of 21 against teams in the bottom half I think, under pulis? We should've won but at least we're up to 29 points now and have got a win and two draws from one piece of piss derby and two more difficult games - with a narrow loss to Liverpool and the Europa tie with Napoli inbetween. West Brom home is next, I'd argue that is more winnable than today's game and that one we HAVE to win.
dismal 2nd half performance and i can only put that down to fatigue just like the decision to take off Bony and Ash. if not then it was absolute madness! I had this down as a definite 3 pointer but fairplay to Palace (though i hate the Pullis style of football) they gave it a real go and are probably wondering why they didnt give it a go in the 1st half too! theres gonna be a lot of fallout from this but for sure its gonna be a tough end to the season and we all need to pull together and get behind the boys. the full focus needs to be 100% on survival now and then if we manage it (which i think we will) we need to strengthen our squad cos as we have seen this season theres not enough strength in depth
Was just about to post something very similar. First doubts I've had about Monk but credit Pulis. He know what it's all about.
Not when the keeper is 5 yards away from you and running towards the ball I haven't, have you? The ball was also at a horrible height you say, so would that height be harder for Vorm to chest like he has done in the past, in which case it would have been too high for Amat to get his boot too. So again I refer you back to trust, and Amat had trust in Vorm to deal with it, else he would not have pulled out.
It's a shame that it appears Monk didn't notice. I'd expect to see those subs if we were playing Cambridge United in the 3rd round of the FA Cup. Unfortunately, I think Monk thought this game was a walk in the park at HT.
I'm done with this debate as you've turned it into a WUM. There's loads of examples. Tonnes. You can't pick and choose what you see in games. See the beautiful with the ugly. Swansea cover all bases, you know. I hope you don't play football with your decision making skills...and I'm glad you're not in my team. Additionally, why do you think trust is just about seeing with your eyes? No, this error was a communication error too. The day that Swansea players make all their decisions off what they see and not what their teammates are telling them is the day that we plummet. Vorm and Amat had a communication breakdown. Maybe they were both shouting for the other to clear it and that created confusion. Either way, inside the box, it's keepers domain and responsibility; outside of the box, it's defenders domain and responsibility. Maybe Vorm called for the ball. Maybe neither said anything. If nobody said anything, Amat should have dealt with it.
Naive defending combined with everyone having panic attacks every time they had the ball made for an extremely uncomfortable second half . we seemed to have forgotten how to pass even when not under pressure and why o why put on Lita then continually knock high balls up to him was a mystery to me .To say that we don't hit it high ,wide and handsome when needs must ,couldn't watch how Ash plays , when needs must the ball goes out and thats exactly what Amat should have done ,row z and get organised for the throw , simple defending regardless ,take the bollocking off the keeper if needs be thats just a earful and forgotten but not to make that decision cost us .
You think the fact that I am using a situation where a keeper is 5 yards away from you is a wum, so basically you cannot find an example that resembles the situation, and go down the whole your wumming route, very mature. Thank god your not our manager, else we would have no trust at all. And unless you fail to read properly, I have already on numerous occasions pointed out the miscommunications between the two. But then I am only responding to Valley who original blamed Amat, which I feel is wrong, if anyone is to blame, for me it is Vorm. That is my opinion, and if you think that is wumming, just because I won't agree with you, then you can **** right off and grow up.
It seems to me that Monk is trying to give everyone a game which is very naive, but Lita when Emnes was on the bench is shockingly poor decision.
Yeah, in the build up we were recognising that Palace are a decent side and yet suddenly, because we didn't win, they're supposedly crap? They're a good team under Pulis, if you see the table since his appointment they're in the top half, well above anyone else in the bottom half. And yet, despite being knackered, despite not being at our best for the first time in a number of games, and when playing the last ten with ten men, we still managed to grind out a point. This result isn't the disaster some are making it out to be; we need to focus on West Brom home which is much more winnable.
And finally Swanselona - another example of a player showing 'trust'. This time not a Swansea player, but playing for an even better team. Demichelis. Today in the Cup Final. Chasing back and slows down as he trusts that Kompany will deal with Borini and the bouncing ball. Kompany gets out-run by Borini and then Demichelis, as a result of slowing down, is not in a position to get back and put in a challenge on Borini. Borini scores. Demichelis gets rinsed by the media and rightly so. But it's okay because he trusted his defensive partner, right? Absolute rubbish. You can attribute trust to any mistake made in football. Fact is, what you're calling trust, most other people call lazy, indecisive, sloppy, cowardly, half-arsed... Now, I wouldn't attribute any of those adjectives to Amat as a footballer. I'm going to say that his mistake was brought on through lack of match fitness/gametime. Plus, most of Amat's gametime has been with Tremmel in goal - so not much time to gain any understanding with Vorm. Another reason why I'm baffled that he was brought on for Ash...
