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Match thread - Swansea City v Crystal Palace

Discussion in 'Swansea City' started by Terror ball, Mar 1, 2014.

  1. ValleyGraduate12

    ValleyGraduate12 Aberdude's Puppet
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    I agree it was very poor, but I'm hoping it was down to fatigue. As for wehether Monk should have the job full time, the jury is still out for me. If I was to pick between Monk and another guy coming in at the moment, I would plump for a new manager with Monk on the coaching staff.
     
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  2. JackPA26

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    For what, criticizing our stand in manager. Others were all too quick to jump all over ML, but any criticism of Monk deserves to be banned. Maybe directing the last comment to Dai and Dragon is a little unfair, but tbh they have been the most vitriolic ML haters.

    Anyway, 1 win in 7 now under Monk....not too good.
     
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  3. swanselona

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    Was not a mistake from Amat, it was a mistake from Vorm, unless of course you think Amat should have eyes in the back of his head.

    Put yourself in Amats shoes, your running towards your own goal, you have a player behind you, that you cannot see, you also see your keeper running at you, Vorm is in control, he can see what is unfolding, Amat is not in control as he does not know whats happening behind him, he pulls out expecting Vorm to clear it which he should have done, but for some bizarre reason, Vorm pulls out, which he should never have done, the blunder was by Vorm, not Amat, but it was just one of those miscommunication moments, but to blame Amat is to give blame to the innocent.

    Anyhow, I am absolutely appalled at whatever was said in that dressing room at half time, as the boys came out with such an arrogant attitude, Monk needs to take responsibility of what ever he said to them, because getting them back up for the game, was not what he did. I could go on the whole Laudrup could at least get our team up to it in second halves, as could be shown by the whole goals in second half stat, but I am not, as we all know we were a 1 half team, but then I have always been the pro Laudrup/Monk setup rather than on or the other. And seems that would have been good for today, Monk to get the team up before hand as first coach and club captain,a nd ML to take half time team talk. Both have their faults.

    Anyhow, 1 win in 7 now, not good enough, as we have played 3 of the bottom half teams in that time, and we should have won today, we did not deserve a point after that second half performance, utter disgrace.
     
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  4. ProjectVRD

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    Vulgar attacks are not allowed as it is, but to single out two people who haven't even be here is just petty. I caught it when I quoted it before he had a chance to edit it out.
     
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  5. ValleyGraduate12

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    I've seen it and dealt with it. Also deleted your post quoting the post <ok>
     
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  6. ValleyGraduate12

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    Personally in that position I'd lump the ball into the stands and take responsibility myself. After all that is his job to defend. as the saying goes, if in doubt put it out.
     
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  7. swan_and_only

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    I think monk's mistake is wanting to give everyone a game, but unfortunately you can't take off our best players thinking it's game over.

    I'd understand taking off Britton or Canas for Amat, but not Ash! We was hanging on even before ash went off.
     
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  8. bigkidderz

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    Those were poor substitutions.

    Bony and Ash should never be substituted if possible. Were they both injured? They are vital for different reasons. Ash for defensive organisation and Bony for constant attacking threat - he's always in defenders' minds. Additionally, they are collectively our main clearers of the ball.

    I can understand substitutions in the engine room, but central defenders probably do the least running on the pitch. And after that first half, surely they can't have been tired?

    I worry that we were tactically naive today. They played a blinder with their tactics and the only thing that went wrong for them was the goal. They played to conserve energy, not chase the ball, play at a slow tempo and lull our players into a false sense of security during the first half. Then second half they immediately upped the tempo and caught us cold. We never recovered composure from the tempo change. Thank god we scored in the first half or that would have been a disastrous second half.

    There's no need to sub your keeper or central defenders unless there is an injury. Taking Ash off lost us this game. I worry that the Ash substitution was decided at half time because we felt that Palace were inept. It was obvious they were going to come at us second half. If the decision to take Ash and Bony off was made at half time, the idea should have been scrapped as soon as we saw that Palace had come to play.

    We have no game until the 15th of March now. Two weeks away. The best players should've been on the pitch.
     
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  9. roofjack_22

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    Swans-m , agree 100 %
     
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  10. swanselona

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    But its Vorm's call regardless, he is in control.
     
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    Can't argue with that :(
     
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    He hasn't quite grasped the idea of subs, Lita was a very bad recession as well. Emnes should have been the one to bring on.
     
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  13. ValleyGraduate12

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    Yeah I agree, there have been a few strange/damaging substitutions in the last couple of games.
     
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  14. ValleyGraduate12

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    Tbh I could have understood the Lita substitution instead of Emnes if he was giving Dyer a little more time before taking him off and bringing Emnes on. It's the Amat for Ash one I didn't understand.
     
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    Pulis' substitutions turned Palace around,fair play to him.

    Monks' substitutions,well,the less said,the better.
     
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  16. ValleyGraduate12

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    I disagree, an old school defender would have taken the decision upon himslef to deal with the threat in that area, hell that's what he is paid to do. Having said that, he shouldn't have been on the pitch anyway.
     
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  17. roofjack_22

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    Unless Bony and, or Williams were injured , and if we have 12 days rest before our next game , the subs were a catastrophic blunder , and can't be overlooked at this point .
     
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  18. Monty Fisto

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    If only we could combine Laudrup's tactical nous with Monks motivational man management, we'd be unstoppable.
     
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  19. ValleyGraduate12

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    I was thinking the exact same thing when they were going off, but they didn't look like they were carrying a knock.
     
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  20. swantastic

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    I'm sure there will be plenty of doom n gloom on here for the next week and some of it may be warranted, but when the games dissected and the squabbling is done we should get back behind the lads as their all we've got till the summer and odds are we will get a few wins to lift our spirits by then gulp !
     
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