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Where do we go from here?

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by suker_suker, Mar 2, 2014.

  1. suker_suker

    suker_suker Well-Known Member

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    With our financial prospects there really is no excuse not to address the squad deficiencies this summer.

    To be honest I think there's serious room for improvement across our front three, even when fully fit. Draxler, Higuain and Di Maria would all be a step up on anything we have. (not saying that we are likely to get them)

    I wouldn't change much about our midfield except maybe a Yaya Toure kind of box to box beast brought in to make it harder for our opponents in the middle of the park.

    It looks like Sagna's off so we need to replace him with equal quality.

    I'm pretty happy with our central defence and keeper. Monreal and Gibbs are good enough.

    But is it the squad quality that is totally responsible for our recent problems?

    We have really bottled it in the last month or so. I'm not sure if it's all psychological or Wenger's 'one size fits all' approach to even our most challenging games.

    Having said that, there has been a real improvement this season in our performances despite the recent spell so I'm not sure that Wenger deserves to be attacked too much.

    He is yet to sign a new contract. Would anyone prefer it if someone else came in to take the reins at the end of the season?

    Our squad is great, our stadium is great and our finances are exciting, I think we could attract a top class manager with our attributes.

    Or do we give Wenger one more crack of the whip?

    He proved with the Ozil signing that he can change. I think we can build a title winning team by bringing a few players this summer. A lot of these players have been playing together for so long and we have gelled beautifully this season, with a top class striker and a few tweaks we can become even better. Would it be foolish to rock the boat with a new manager? Or do you think Ozil was a one-off and Wenger will make do on the minimum this summer?

    Thoughts?
     
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  2. Not PC enough

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    I think Arsene Wenger is tactically wrong .

    Totally inflexible .

    You cant play every team the same way.
    You must be able to adapt quickly to a change in situation on the pitch .
    He never does .

    He takes a chess board into a boxing ring .
    Sometimes you dont need to play chess to beat the other team , you just need some muscle and some aggression .

    I would like to see us seek some more physically powerful midfielders.

    more Yaya Toure and Viera less dwarves like Wilshire and Santi .

    But for him its a philosophy , the Arsenal way .

    Hes not going to change now , why would he.
    The problem is , we are stuck with him ,
    As long as he gets 4th place , hes going no where.
     
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  3. jadotbizzgooner

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    Look it's going to be same **** different day or different season.

    I hope to god we don't buy Morata for 20mil and a 100k a week what for? We already have Giroud,Sanogo and Bendtner who I don't think are or will be that good enough and they all are like the same ilk.

    I am feed up of us just playing our game and not caring about the opposition team game.

    I would like us to be more tactically astute I ****ing hate MourinHo but he's on point.

    Buy players who going to improve the team now and buy the right ****ing players I like Ozil but he's become Arshavin in less time than Arshavin.

    Stop keeping player on the Field when we know she know he know and you know they ain't doing **** today be more ruthless.

    Players like Artera should of never been bought I don't give a **** scoring penalties now and then does not make you an Arsenal midfielder. And if some players don't perform on a regular basis sack them sell them do something be more RUTHLESS!

    Spend some money like all the other top teams there not waiting for the FFP you got money in the bank always telling us how much you got, you flash ****s, you want to do something good, buy me a ****ing house!
     
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  4. TheBear

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    I think the style of play Wenger is going for WORKS but only if the team is TOP TOP quality.

    We stick to the same tactical approach time on time even though our individuals are not quite of the standard to pull it off against the best teams.

    In short we are not Barcelona.

    We have no 50 goals a Season Lionel Messi in our squad.

    The most infuraiting thing is that on 3-4 Sesaons over the last 9 years we have only been 2-3 Top players away from an amazing squad but we are reluctant to spend and Wenger is more guilty of this than anyone.

    Ok so we signed OZIL - great player but we never even attempted to fix the glaring hole in the team. I cant imagine Bayern, Barca, Real Madrid, United or City being happy and content with Giroud and Bendtner as their main centreforwards options can you?

    Our constant failure to address the squads weaknesses needs to change.
     
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  5. Sidney Fiddler

    Sidney Fiddler Well-Known Member

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    The reality is that Arsenal can not compete with the likes of the Viagra Clubs . They can always spend double and you
    and many others will always play catchup. FFP will mean nothing as they have found many ways of getting around that.
    The silverware started to dry up for you when these dodgy money inflated clubs established themselves.
    You will remain just in the top 4 and we will be constantly just outside and there is nothing we can do as our
    league has become a farce and uncompetitive groundhog day.
     
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  6. PINKIE

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    Win our next league game against the Spuds and the attitude shifts again ......


    That said, there are still areas that need addressing in this squad.
     
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  7. The Zlatan

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    Sign Vidal, Pedro, Diego Costa, Piszczek and Ginter. That's the only way we can go really...
     
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  8. theresonly1gerrard

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    Heard Costa has a release clause of £30m.

    Wenger should be £30m+1 <laugh>
     
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  9. afcftw

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    The first few overly negative comments cracked me up.

    Particular highlights of this thread: Wenger doesn't like Yaya Toure typle players - Diaby being on the books for so long would suggest thats a total load of bollocks to me.

    Wenger won't change his tactical approach - we have seen more changes to our starting line up based on who we are playing this season than we have in years. We've been far more tactically aware (note our new defensive solidarity with basically the same players) and appraoched games in different ways. This is just a lazy insult, if you're going to insult the man at least don't talk total nonsense.

    Ozil has become Arshavin - this one had me in a real bought of laughter. Firstly it was fasionable to pick on Arshavin, other than his lazyness and lack of effort towards the end of his time with us, he was our most effective player with more assists and goals per game than any other player in our squad during his time with us. My particular favourite being him sinking Barcelona. So your originial assertation that somehow comparing him to one of our better players over the lastdecade is somehow an insult, is stupid. Secondly Ozil has created more chances than any player ion any of the top 5 european leagues this season, ahs lead the assists charts for most of the season, is our most creative player and has made a huge difference to us this season and has chipped in with a handful of goals to top it off. He has been anything but poor for us and anyonesaying otherwise is a total ****ing ****** who obviously doesn't watch us play football.

    Anyway, after we beat the spuds you'll all stfu with your negative nonsense ;)

    p.s. before you all go off on one, i do think the squad has some obvious areas for improvement and do think we will address those areas in the summer. For now we can't change the squad and the current lot have been competing for the title and are an obvious improvement on last season so i'm not going to start complaining just yet.
     
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  10. afcftw

    afcftw Well-Known Member

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    Happily if it gets a player we are after :)
     
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  11. TheOXOCube:5pur2

    TheOXOCube:5pur2 Pride of North London

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    Beat Everton and SPurs and perspective shifts. Our season is far from over yet. We need a second CF as Giroud can't do it alone; a backup CB and a GK. Maybe a CM too
     
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  12. Not PC enough

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    1 . Where was this player yesterday ?
    or against united .....am i missing something .
    Because i saw tiny Jack and even tinier Santi.

    2. Changing the starting line up is NOT , however much you wish it , a tactical change . .. im talking about HOW you play not WHICH players you play .

    3 . No , you might , but there are enough on here who WONT sweep the bollox under the carpet on the back of a 3 point win against Sunderland ....or Spurs , but i kid you not , play like that again against Spurs and it wont be pretty .


    tippy tappy sideways passing has returned with a vengance to bite us in the ass.

    All the skillful passing should be a means to an end .
    Not the end itself.
     
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  13. Not PC enough

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    We are seriously missing Walcott and Ramsey .

    Until they are back we dont have a hope in hell of winning the league .

    It WAS in our own hands , now we are relying on other teams failing .

    City have the sheer firepower and squad depth so you can forget them failing , even if they drop a game .
    Chelsea have a MUCH easier run in than us , plus
    Although Moureen is a total KUNT , he is tactically centuries ahead of Wenger .
    Liverpool have Suarez and not Giroud , that is self explanatory .

    The draw against the sh1t was a serious setback .
    The loss yesterday was a disaster .
     
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  14. jadotbizzgooner

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    I go to all home games not many away games.

    Read my comment about Ozil. He might be creating lots of chances for us who putting the ball in the net coulda shoulda woulda!

    We have only improve because most top teams have change there managers and are doing worst then last year out of the top teams that change their manager only Chelsea has improved and the other team that hasn't change their manager Liverpool has improved. You know next season everyone is probably going to improve and get better this was our chance next season for us I don't think so!

    Why do some people think that only after a loss we speak up that's not the case yeah we have done ok but this is like groundhog day, most of us kind of know when it's going to go tits up. Wallpapering the cracks don't mean the jobs done after awhile you start to get fed up. Even opposition fans and players know when it's going to get peak for us.
     
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  15. suker_suker

    suker_suker Well-Known Member

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    Have to disagree with you there Oxo. Giroud doesn't need a back up striker, he needs to BE our back up striker. He's a Wiltord, not a Henry.
     
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  16. jadotbizzgooner

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    How many ex Arsenal players has won things since we last won a title or a cup and how cups and or title have they won?#movingtobiggerandbetterthings
     
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  17. afcftw

    afcftw Well-Known Member

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    Are you sure your not a fan of a rival club? You come across like a spurs wum...
     
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  18. afcftw

    afcftw Well-Known Member

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    1) I already explained my point in my first reply, go back and read it again. I have chosen Diaby as an example of the exact type of player you have said Wenger doesn't like, yet he has kept Diaby at the club when many fans have wanted him axed. I never at any point said we had a yaya toure type player on the pitch yesterday. You need to read the comments your replying to because your point had already been answered.

    2) Again you need to practice your reading. I've listed us changing our line-up, our change in defensive solidarity with the same personnel (i.e a change in tactics to less gung ho) and the fact that we have played with different tactics against different teams more this season than any other in recent memory. But since you've chosen to focus only on the point i made about changing players who play (you obviously thought this was the weakest part of my point and the easiest bit for you to lazily argue against) i may as well point out that it is in fact a tactical decision as to who plays. No amount of you using caps lock will change that.

    3) Bit of a piontless post, obviously i haven't gobne all doom and gloom so i won't be changing any perspective if we beat spurs just maintaining my view that the title race isn't over yet and there is no need to be so negative.
     
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  19. TheBear

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    Most people massively over-react when we lose.

    The truth is we are only 1-2 Top Players away from the likes of City,Chelsea and even Bayern.

    If we had managed to sign Suarez AND Ozil last Summer I personally feel we would have run away with the league.


    But... It's clear in the big games that we lack efficiency in front of goal. For the first 30 mins (against BM) while the game was 11 vs 11 our midfield and defence were more than a match for the Germans.

    It does drive me crazy that a Club with apparently grand ambitions seems soo scared to actually make a move and gamble a little. How much is a League trophy worth to a Club anyways? (In terms of merchandising, rasing the clubs profile and essentially gaining the club more fans?) Certainly more than the 30 odd million it would take to bring in a World Class forward
     
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  20. afcftw

    afcftw Well-Known Member

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    I read your comment about Ozil. You said he had fast becoem the new Arshavin. My reply was to point out all the flaws in your comment :)

    As for the rest of your comment i agree in part as the new managers will have affected some of the teams around us. But Chelsea and City have very strong squads and where always going to be in the title race and we have performed above many expectations and maintained a title challenge through over two thirds of the season so far. Provided we strengthen in the right areas during the summer i see no reason why we won't be challenging again next season as well.
     
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