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What if Red Bull and Vettel were cheating?

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by dhel, Oct 10, 2013.

  1. fl0ydp1nk

    fl0ydp1nk New Member

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    I'm not really sure I'd call it cheating. The truth is that Red Bull/Adrian Newey outsmarted everybody for 4 years in a row. They had the most consistently fast car and the most reliable team for four straight seasons in a row.
    Hopefully Newey has completely got it wrong this year and Seb Vettel has to drive at the back of the grid so I don't have to listen to his fans saying that he is the greatest driver who ever lived. No driver is good enough to win a world championship in a bad car or if another driver has a car that is far superior to everyone elses.
    I swear that normally I just want all the best drivers to have an equal chance of winning the title in relatively equal machinery throughout the season. It would actually be nice to see Seb try to prove himself against Lewis, Alonso and Kimi without having a car that is way faster than theirs more often than not but to be honest it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if the Red Bull is total crap this year. Its time for other drivers to get a chance to show they belong at the top while battling in a competitive fight for the title.
     
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  2. BrightLampShade

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    Suggestions coming out that Renault used an old WSR test mule for their straight-line runs Indiada, not an RB10.
    So its legit :bandit:
     
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  3. dhel

    dhel Well-Known Member

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    Yeah Yeah...And we all believe that right? So why were they so quiet about it? Did the other teams know about that test?
     
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  5. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    An Old Red Bull WSR car?

    Ferrari used a mule car too but that was before the season started. But using a formula car...If its legal... is clever I have to admit.
     
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  6. DHCanary

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    Surprised it's not happened earlier really. WSR, GP2, there's plenty of cars that shouldn't be too hard to adapt to take an F1 engine. Even if the car can't quite handle the top speeds the engine produces, or fully simulate the problems that high cornering speeds generate, you'd at least get some real world running of the engine, and porbably be able to iron out some of the issues the teams have experienced so far. Some of the problems do sound as if they'd have been discovered this way.
     
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  7. dhel

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    So maybe we are not cheating exactly. Just bending the rules a little bit?
     
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  8. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    Shall I rename the thread?
     
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  9. BrightLampShade

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    Bending the rules is 21st century innovation since the fia has banned everything else :confused:
     
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  10. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    pssht, rule bending has been an integral part of F1 since as long as I can remember, water-cooled brakes will always be my favourite.
     
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  11. dhel

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    Sweet!..lol
     
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  12. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    Yup... they're all at it in one form or another.

    The bigger issue is probably how it's dealt with when discovered. Way too many inconsistencies on that front... But that's the same for about any aspect f1.
     
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  13. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    Ruler bending is fine as long as it's shatter proof....
     
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  14. BrightLampShade

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    Those rubber ones make things easier as well
     
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  15. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    Nah...they go cloudy and then ya can't get a straight line out of em.
     
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    I'm reading rumours (the judge) that Red Bull have had another straight line test with Ricciardo with a promotion car in an advert and possibly an actual v6t engine test in another car. As it's on an army military base any pictures taken without permission is against the law and you will be imprisoned if you do. So if this was to go to the FIA there is zero proof to support this and if they did the FIA would get bent over by the Australian Military and a lot of people will go to prison for a long time.
     
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  17. dhel

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    I wonder if Red Bulls were deliberately cheating with their fuel matter? If they were told to sort out the sensor or change it and they refused to comply and then they were warned during the race and I remember when Magg was pushing him at the end Red Bull telling Ricardo to push to the end ...shouldn't they have known they were breaking the rules with regards to the fuel regulations. Was it deliberate or so some made a terrible mistake?
     
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  18. Han Shot First

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    The story is that RBR felt that the FIA systems gave an incorrect reading for fuel flow data, so they went with what their system claimed, their system gave figures that didn't match the FIA system, but they continued using their system because they were convinced it was correct and that the FIA was wrong. At this stage, i'll be stumped if i know who was right.
     
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    i imagine Mercedes could win every race this year and there'd still be more complaining about Red Bull "cheating".
     
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  20. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    NOBODY IS COMPLAINING!

    ffs.
     
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