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Red Bull RB10

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  1. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    This.

    Only 2 finishes in the first 8 races of 1991, after that Mansell only once finished outside the top 2 until the end of 1992 when the car crossed the line.

    I have said in the past Newey doesn't always get it right first time, but when he's finished fettling (Vetteling?) a car no one stands a chance.
     
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  2. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    FW14b was 1992. FW15C was 1993. Prost made a right hash of winning the WDC in 1993 and only engine failues preveneted Damon Hill from winning that year, such was Prost's lacklustre driving.
     
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  3. Han Shot First

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    Thanks for that, knew it was one of them. <ok>
     
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  4. Forza Bianchi

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    http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/34393/f1-red-bull-racing-prepara-rb10-intermedia
     
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  5. 51LV3R8RR04

    51LV3R8RR04 Well-Known Member

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    I do remember reading back in 2013 that Newey was doing 2 car designs for this year so 'Plan B' might just need a few adjustments as it seems maybe 'Plan A' didn't work out.
     
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  6. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    At least RB are looking at doing what McLaren decided not to do last year
     
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  7. Smithers

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    @autosport: Red Bull: nothing major wrong with RB10: #F1 - Red Bull insists that there is nothing 'major' wrong with its R... http://t.co/LEeJnLY38u

    I wonder if this is the same as nothing being good about the RB9?
     
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  8. BrightLampShade

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    Red Bull had a lot of cooling around the exhaust:
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    More heat vents, one smoking a bit already:
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    More cooling:
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    Not enough though:
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    Rear win central pillar may be difficult to service:
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  9. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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  10. ched999uk

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    Interesting. Thanks.
    Quote from Autosport and Newey:
    "Everybody of the three engine manufacturers will have a different target for how hot their charge air is going back into the plenum and Renault have given us a fairly challenging target.
    "It has all sorts of advantages if we can get there, but it is not easy to achieve.
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    I always thought that the cooler the charge air was the more power you could get (within limits)? This is sounding more like Ferrari with their water to air intercoolers are very much on the right track for power and reliability.

    I wonder why Renault were/are so far behind schedule? Sounds like normally Red Bull would have had an engine on a dyno and tested the cooling requirements themselves but as Renault were so late they had to take a gamble and they underestimated the cooling demands of the power unit.
     
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  11. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    I just hope the Renault cars are able to actually compete at a somewhat reasonable level come the first race and not all be parked by 5 laps in.

    The first race has the potential to be like Monaco '96, where we were beginning to wonder if anybody was going to go the full distance.
     
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  12. Smithers

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    Such are Red Bull’s isues, Crofty reports some are now speculating they may look at going back to the drawing board and introducing a B-spec car:


    “They are making progress, but they are finding more and new issues. Forget about them winning the double after missing the first test in 2010, there has been such a seismic change between 2013 and 2014 that you are kind of wiping the slate clean. My favourite quote from everyone in the paddock this week has been ‘I don’t know’ – the teams don’t know everything that is coming up against them and why the problems are happening and in Red Bull’s case we think we know it is cooling and packaging with Adrian Newey going for the maximum aero design and not the necessary cooling requirement.


    “But one leading F1 figure from within another team told me that he wouldn’t be surprised now if Red Bull weren’t thinking of B-spec car and redesigning the rear end of their car. They have the resources to do that, but that is going to take some time. Daniel Ricciardo hinted yesterday when he said ‘if we don’t win the first five or six we can win the next ten.’ Are we getting into a situation where up until Barcelona – the first European race of the season – Red Bull are not going to be featuring at the sharp end. It would be an amazing comeback if they can salvage something from that, but if anyone can do it, they can.”
     
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  13. BrightLampShade

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    RED BULL
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    Red Bull's power unit integration problems remain top of its list. Thermal issues are at the heart of the team's difficulties, with both the energy store (battery) and turbo being subject to on-the-hoof development to keep temperatures under control.


    Such is the scale of the issues that quick fixes of a type now rare in F1 - and certainly un-Newey-like - were being applied to the RB10.


    At Jerez, a makeshift cooling outlet was cut into the sidepod's Coke bottle area. For Bahrain, the solution was reversed with some convoluted tubing taped in place to feed air into the sidepod area.
     
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  14. BrightLampShade

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  15. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    that's quite high of the ground..
     
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  16. 51LV3R8RR04

    51LV3R8RR04 Well-Known Member

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    VERY BAD NEWEY! We asked for more cooling not more performance <doh>
     
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  17. fl0ydp1nk

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    Finally no more Red Bull dominance. I want to see an equal battle at the front between the top drivers so we can settle out who is the best once and for all. A piece of me wants Red Bull to fail miserably but the much more appealing scenario is that Vettel, Hamilton, Raikkonen and Alonso all get an equal crack at the front.
    Notable mentions to Button, Rosberg and perhaps even Magnussen who could yet still play a massive part.
     
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  18. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    equality doesn't exist in motorsport, and I wouldn't write of Red Bulls chances of dominanating just yet, they weren't exactly the class of the field at the start last year (ferrari, Lotus and Mercedes were better), and they have arguably the best driver on the grid and the best designer, the engine isn't going to be **** all year, too much at stake for Renault commercially for them to allow it to stay that way for too long.
     
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  19. ched999uk

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    Depending on if the FIA allow them to continue development or just fix reliability?
     
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  20. allsaintchris.

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    The engine may improve, but unless Red Bull sort their cooling Renault may as well not bother.
     
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