OT: Frank and Dave's Philosophical Kebab Emporium

Edit: I agree that the options are restrictive...but then options always are.

Devils in the detail.

 

How are you still a 4 with all those fuzzy needs?

 

That's twice I thought I was editing and actually just quoted myself.....now THATS ego surfacing....but that's a whole new debate and I need sleep......night folks.

And I see your plan Dave....just waiting us out, one by one....

How's that song go? "Tiiiiiime is on my side......"

 

Most people on here are trying to explain their position in what is a very delicate and personal situation.
One person is just trying to cause trouble.

 

Because yet to be decided if they are needs or wants and either way I still acknowledge my needs/wants may very well be irrelevant in the matter. Both if they are counter to the conditions an existing God has set or pointless in the face of a simple end to this one existence be it good bad or indifferent.

I can want a God (used as umbrella for next level existence) but he may not end up being the God I want.

And wanting him doesn't make him real if he does not exist. I also want to my 20year old knees back. I'll still wake up with the ones I've got and wishes aside I know I'll wake up with them lol. It's also possible I won't but I've got no evidence to support that so creak groan

So in short, I see no point in living a life to any version of God I've been presented with so far nor living a life terrified of its cessation into nothingness.




Definitely off to bed, I'm making no sense.

 

The last bit wasn't bad.

 

Another true agnostic. That fence is roomy. With crutches AND umbrellas leaning on it, ready to be picked up for a jog on the left side, if the fence numbs and jabs too much.

Frank, and I do respect you a lot as a poster, let me ask you a couple of questions:

Has your inquisitive mind ever found any reason to support that there could be a God? Except for 'why not'.

Has your mind ever found any reason to support that there should be a God? And if so, has it followed it up with "How would you like this God to be?"

 

The first part of your post once again mocks the opinion, this is why you annoy people on here.

 

well was this how you saw this thread going then ccc lol.

has been a good discussion, and frank and dave have put their points of view across in a respectful way.

when i said you cant have a forum just talking about footie, maybe that didn't or shouldn't apply to everyone lol.

quite funny that humans have to have a label for something, if there is no label they don't like it and want one to make what i can only assume is to make it easier for them to understand.

whether you believe or not, should be grateful in a way that there are believers in this world today, as this world is a ****ed up place and a lot of people are starving and relying on the support of others to feed themselves to survive ie food parcels, ****ing ****ing areshole torrie government.

we are not far off living in a society where its each to their own and **** everyone else, without some form of religion to counter that and try and help their fellow human being , we would probably have anarchy by now.

so whether you agree/believe in religion or not, it does have its place and use in society, certainly more use than this ****ing ****ing ****e government.

 

He doesn't like you. He's going to dress you up as a sheep and rape your sorry ringpiece

 

Hiya

 

I have no problem with people pursuing beliefs that are different to mine, as long as they are considerate to each other and follow the generally accepted consensus of decent behaviour.
However, good works are by no means the exclusive province of believers. Plenty of Humanist thinkers do good work, and plenty of theists perform extremely dire acts in the name of their god.

 

Quite a cunning plan eh!

 

The problem lies with the users and not the religions (using that terms in its widest context to also include Atheism and Agnosticism). Human beings are capable of both extreme good and extreme bad and only need a reason to evoke either. Sadly we have not found a method of controlling that dilema spiritually, legally or politically.

 

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Precisely my point.
People do what they want to do, or what they feel driven to do, and then fall back on some excuse to justify it. Quite often that excuse can be the will of their God, athough all major religions, as far as I am aware, preach a doctrine of tolerance and understanding, and respect for human life.

 

Happy soul, old Friedrich.

 

Yes, full of laughs.

 

Now tell me what Nietzsche was trying to say? For me his start point is all wrong because I believe that God is very much an existing entity. I didn't use the word living as I didn't want to provoke a Monty Python-like argument.

 

quite funny that in society that's just generally accepted, but in a court of law you can't justify your actions by what you believe in, we are all responsible for our own actions.

its like murderers who plead insanity to justify there rage(and obviously get an easier life in a mental hospital than prison), its bollocks.

people who use religion to justify an action that is deemed wrong by society are cowards in my opinion, and i bet half the time they are not religious as well, or have no faith.

i have done wrong in my life, all my own doing, no one forced me to do anything against my will, you live and learn.(well hopefully lol)