But you clearly misunderstand the concept of statistics. What posters on here have been posting are not statistical measures of a population but actual data points - as in wins / loses per sets of matches. These numbers are not statistical measures, or samples subject to some probability distribution, they are data points. They are not subject to sampling error, but hard, fast, facts - a result of a match is a fact. And unless you're head is buried where the sun don't shine, or you're munching on mushrooms, or purely choose to ignore ... data points are data points. They cannot be manipulated. A league table, goal difference, wins, draws and losses are not samples or statistical measures. They are facts. So if Laudrup has been winning 1 in 5 and Monk 1 in 6, for example (purely as an example), then Laudrup's performance is superior - it is not subject to probability - it is not subject to manipulation, it is a fact. Not a "Dai Fact", but a real fact.
Laudrup didn't get us a discount. We got the players from Spain cheap due to financial meltdown in Spain
Oh dear, there is a hell of a lot of sour grapes around here??..................... please log in to view this image
No Ivor you're quite right I doubt very much whether HJ will pay the asking price for top players. I believe that's one drawback of MLs sacking, as he did up to a point get the club to invest in quality players. When ML first came to the club he moved us away from the cheap so called hungry players and landed several proven quality players. My hope is that HJ continues with this policy and invests in proven rather than young and hungry players which was a philosophy that worked quite well in the lower leagues but Premiership football is a different beast altogether.
He'd never heard of us but came here because he wanted to play for Laudrup. Period. Now, I agree that Garry Monk has his attributes but I don't think there's going to be a crowd of quality players beating a path to our door any time soon, foreign or otherwise, just to play for him. OMG your not serious...So according to you players join a club because of the manager ....Bloody hell if that's the case we should be so glad he has gone as who would want to join a team going backwards....
Laudrup and his agent got us incredible players for cheap , going to be a bit tougher in the summer , spain or no spain . Retaining our team as is will be difficult, but not impossible.
We got them cheap on the transfer fees, but the wages are subject to market .... and the player is playing in the English Prem League, the wage structure of which defines the market .... and their agent is not a complete idiot. The agent gets paid on commission so he has an incentive to maximize the players compensation based on the market. The financial meltdown in Spain impacts the transfer fee paid to the Spannish club not the player's wages. So if a player comes to the Prem and he can make X at one club versus Y at another club .... and X > Y, and the player chooses Y then there is a discount factor in play and it has nothing to do with where they come from. It has to do with a player factoring in some non-monetary compensation that offsets the monetary difference between Y and X in the market he is going into, not the market he is coming out of. In our case, Y << X (i.e very much less than) since HJ is cheap, and Laudrup was the discount factor - clearly a big enough discount factor for Michu and Pablo, but not enough for Aspas.
When Monk has lost 31 games in the last 39, and only won 8, then I'll discuss your so called data points and not before, all this crying over Laudrup is nothing short of pathetic, get a grip for crying out loud, you'd swear Huw Jenkins had shot the guy!...................
Your point about going backwards is right! Even a broken clock is right twice a day .... I guess must be about now. To the world of football .... that huge, cavernous space outside the gap between your ears .... firing Laudrup in manner and motive the way we did, and replacing him with somebody who hasn't even coached a youth team .... is possibly, just possibly considered a step backwards. Now I grant you .... it might yet be proven to be a stroke of genius ... but I don't see a queue outside William Hill to bet on it. Why don't you go and have a cheeky fiver on us staying up and post the ticket on here - if you're so sure.
And after all that! Valley's point is still valid, try telling us something we didn't already know!................
Haha lets have something worth responding to then, all this garbage over Laudrup's sacking, so so sad, get behind Monk and the team, Laudrup is history now just like Sousa etc!...................... please log in to view this image
Actually it is not valid. Michu came to us because of Laudrup on the wages he was offered. It has nothing to do with the fee he paid. He may have been making more in Spain .... for all anybody knows.
Well if you want to believe that, then who am I to stand in your way, but don't try convincing me, now back to Valley's point, if you think that we as a club, didn't already know the cost bargains in Spain after Martinez etc, then your clearly well off the point as Laudrup did not tell us anything we didn't already know, his knowledge merely enhanced our previous experience under Martinez. Michu did come because of Laudrup or our scouting staff had identified him, but his transfer value was down to the collapse in the Spanish market as Valley has rightly focused on, Laudrup's bargains where because of the Spanish market turmoil!................
All our squad are my buddies, except those that won't put a shift in or are inept like Aloevera etc, I actually go and see the boys train pretty regularly at Landore and Fairwood. Fairwood is just up the road from me!.......
Missing the point again ..... The "bargain", if it exists, has to do with the transfer fee paid to the player's original club by the Swans. The player has no say in that and probably doesn't care about that or is not even informed of the value of that transaction. There is not necessarily any bargain with respect to player's wages. The issue is will the player sign for the Swans on the Swan's pay scale, which I think we all agree is the on lower side of clubs in the Prem. My argument, and that of others, is that Laudrup was the non-monetary offset that bridged the gap between our wages and the wages the player may have been offered by another Prem club, or that the player's agent was representing to the player that he was worth in the market - the English market. Pablo has stated he came here at a discount because of Laudrup - not a discount in transfer fee, but a discount in wages. I don't think this can be made any simpler to understand.
