OT: Frank and Dave's Philosophical Kebab Emporium

Next year is our year JB.

 

He's a whingeing, opinionated individual. He's only been on here five minutes (I think ) and he's going for board domination. And by the way, what the **** are you doing sticking up for OT threads?

 

Could you elaborate a little, JB? I'm not sure I totally grasp what you're saying and I want to be sure before I reply.

 

I'm keeping the faith

 

Nothing wrong with a few of them but I look at the board and there are a lot of threads out there already with plenty to discuss and as we get closer to the weekend more will come ( I know I will put one or two up). It is when you get about half and half in number that it is a little bit too much and in need of clean-up ( or three threads on snails, butterflys, and another animal!!! )

 

I have faith that when I put my car in a never-been-to-before garage they will actually do a good job and not con me. I had faith that my children would do well in exams the first time they took one with no evidence to call on that they were good at exams. Just a couple of everyday type examples. And yes it's not religious faith but it comes from the same place.

 

**** off

 

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That was the yank Keep up, smarty pants.

 

Surely the board finds its own level? If the OT threads are more vibrant perhaps it's because they interest people more?
I know it's theoretically a football forum, but we've been a more diverse community on here for a long time now.
The love of football brought us here and unites us, but it's one subject, and there's only so much we can say without going round in circles- the rest of the universe contains a limitless number of topics.

 

Surely it is the other way round, at least the followers and believers can point to documents, relics and teachings passed down through the centuries whereas the people who don't belive scoff at this and point to science, a science that in no way proves that God doesn't exist. There is no scientific proof that God does not exist, none at all.

 

Ah, I see. That's just your use of English, which is different from mine, perhaps due to the difference in our philosophical outlook on life, although they are probably very similar in a lot of respects. a) would be 'expect'; b) would be 'hoped'. That's how I would use English differently. I guess it all boils down to definitions and what people understand a certain word to mean.

 

Yeah, that karma **** is just superstition. The golden rule is good medicine for pacifying indigestion in people with delicate conscience linings.

Other than that, people will behave nicely to whom they love or have an interest with.

 

Then CCC how would you differentiate between faith and religion? Maybe JB would also appreciate a go at that as well.

 

Could be a superstition but I have see many a time where someone ****s another person over and it comes back around. Coincidence, got what is coming to them, mess with the wrong people it comes back to you, aka karma. The golden rule has been around long before the religions and if you read my other post it is in pretty much every religion out there, why would it be about delicate conscience linings? I want to do right by myself and do right by others.

 

no evidence to suggest he does either in fairness.

not sure how science can be used to disprove gods existence, in the same way how do you prove it? for me personally its either you believe (ie faith)or you don't,not sure we will get the answers either way through science, i know they have through science shown how these miracles that allegedly happened was possible, even the parting sea, burning tree etc, buts that's it to my knowledge.

 

Well I don't normally go around saying I've got faith in this or that, in reality I barely use the word but given that faith [in anything] is belief, trust conviction, I used some everyday examples were trust in the unknown leads to a more positive place than distrust or disbelief.

 

Oh BCR, haven't you had a good look around? White-collar bastards prosper, innocent children suffer daily...

As smb much wiser said: a single depravity against a child, aye, a single suffered tear of a child, is enough for me to banish God...

and that is from an entirely unscientific perspective.

 

No, there's not, but then if using scientific methodology you would dismiss all of those mentioned documents as heresay, unsubstantiated etc...

I'll play safe in my example Scientology.

One man comes along and states that he has discovered information that x exists and if you want to get enlightenment you must do y. He gives various explanations as to why he believes he's right and enough people believe him and in what he'd saying to create institutions to formalise the instructions he passed down.

Scientists can point to direct evidence that undermines his theories of Xanu in the fields of physics , geology etc to say it's why not impossible highly improbable.

Sociologists and psychology could point to him fulfilling a need or insecurity in his specific followers. Or to his statements that the best tax break would be to create a religion.

We the general public all live in his era so can point at the fact he was a fiction writer in the genre his religion seems to evolve from. Which undermines him further.

In 2000 years however he will be dead and gone as will all of us. His "teachings" may survive however be added to, particularly if passed down by word of mouth and rewritten by generations not alive through the events and the lack of detail surrounding his life might in fact make his mythology or doctrine depending on your view seem more believable then than now. Depending on how much is accurately recorded and survived from this time of course.

Now you could apply that view to our more traditional religions

I Still haven't decided whether Hubbard was just on an ego trip while making money, insane or creating a life size model that critiques how a religion is created in a way that most scientists have failed to do...

Interesting parallels.

 

Religion to me is organised religion, if you like a sort of members only club for like minded people, and given a name and 'set of rules'. Faith is a belief in a higher being. I find it hard to quantify it for fear, in some part, of being laughed at or ridiculed, so I will leave it there. Just to add I would probably define myself as a Christian, Catholic. I say both because I think until you choose for yourself you are 'just' a Catholic without ever having questioned or really accepting it, going along with it, if you like. I've questioned my faith and religion and this is where I am today.

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Frank can I get back to you on here from your post on the other thread, when I've collected my thoughts a bit more?