OT: Frank and Dave's Philosophical Kebab Emporium

I also try to live by the Golden Rule, as it is sometimes called, which predates all known religions.

I'm not going to put up that poll for the simple reason that it narrows the intended topic from 'science and philosophy' to just 'what are/is your opinions/stance on God(s)'. Your point number 5 does interest me, but I wouldn't say I'm at all worried by it.

I agree that faith is digital, you either have it or you do not. I cannot do faith. For me to believe in something, you need evidence. Some religions people insist 'if you have faith then you see the evidence', but that's putting the horse before the carriage for me, and I can't do it.

 

Faith..... believing Andy Carroll and Stewart Downing would work.
Reality.... ****.

 

Many people belive in God but also doubt his existence, the elimination of this doubt is what these people strive for and without any facts blind faith becomes the reality. This also works for the non belivers, they cannot prove beyond a doubt that God doesn't exist so offer so called facts that are on most occasions nothing to do with the subject but ridicule the belivers while having no more proof that he does not exist than the people who belive otherwise.

 

There is very little evidence either way so to dismiss God and say you need proof is just as silly as stating his existence.

 

Good analogy the cart horse thing CCC. A bit condescending to the people of faith, tho, telling them that they are daft enough to put the cart before the horse

 

Feels very Shankly-esque as well.

 

So, where are you on that poll, gonz?

 

For me at least, all evidence gathered by science in physics and biology points to an indifferent universe. In this situation I would say that exceptional claims require exceptional evidence. The burden of proof lies with those asserting the existence of supernatural creatures. For example, If you insist there are fairies, I would expect you to provide proof. If you just said to me, 'I have no evidence, just faith that they do exist' then I'd accept that that is your belief but it would not influence me one iota, due to the lack of evidence.

I don't think that was condescending at all. It's just my opinion. Someone one said: Faith is belief without evidence. I agree wholeheartedly.

 

Me like cookies.

 

With 5, perhaps it would be even more worrying if you managed to put your thought into some reasonably understandable English. As it stands "Constitution and the immediate calculus of reward-punishment decide responses." is both ungrammatical and meaningless.

 

I have faith that CCC will make the right choice.

 

Do you really believe in karma, CCC? How does that fit with you believing in option 4?

 

I don't believe in Karma at all. What ever gave you that idea? Think you might had read someone else' s post by mistake.

 

Is the gulf between to self-generated options any more obscene than say the gulf between Keynsianism and Monetrarism or between Libetarianism and Communism?

 

You have your linguistics hat on now, Dave? On top of your permanent angry hat? Come on, stop being a stickler, offer a correction if you like. But without insults.

 

Your answer to BCR's "karma is real" (post #21)

 

No, you are mistaken. I highlighted the bit that I agreed with, and further confirmed it by mentioning its other name 'The Golden rule'. The Karma part was only left in for contextual purposes.

 

Instead of being a complete dickhead answer the bloody question. As put your point 5 is meaningless. If you really want it discussed then re-word it in such a way that it does become comprehensible. That's not angry, it's just common sense.

 

"I agree that faith is digital, you either have it or you do not. I cannot do faith. For me to believe in something, you need evidence. Some religions people insist 'if you have faith then you see the evidence', but that's putting the horse before the carriage for me, and I can't do it."

CCC -I think it's the other way round.

I take it you mean you can't do religious faith - since there's lots of areas in our lives when we have faith in things without any evidence. To live a completely faithless life would be sheer misery.

 

Dave flexin.