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The Triple Punishment Rule

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  1. Astro Canary

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    http://www.football365.com/news/21554/9180831/Platini-Wants-End-To-Stupid-Triple-Punishment

    The Triple Punishment rule. Mis-tackle a player as the last man and: get a red card, give away a penalty and get a suspension. Seems overly excessive to me, and I'd say unless the tackle is dangerous give the player a yellow card and a penalty to the other team, and play on!

    Platini says create a 'sin bin' rule for 10 or 15 minutes for the player. Step Ladder says keep the status quo.

    What do you guys think?
     
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  2. Bath-Canary

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    I'd probably leave it as it is because the consequences achieve different things:

    - The Penalty gives the fouled team the chance to get a goal they missed because of the foul, this sort of isn't a punishment it just rights the wrong.
    - The red card is a team punishment for cheating to try to prevent a goal
    - The suspension is an individual punishment.

    If the result of bringing some one down when they were through on goal is a 10 minute sin bin i reckon you'll fine it happening far more. The punishment is harsh because within the realms of professional fouls it is by far the most serious.
     
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  3. DHCanary

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    If the incident is in the box, then a penalty is awarded for the foul, so I don't think the defender has prevented a clear goal-scoring opportunity, he's merely delayed it and put it 12 yards out. To send someone off for that seems mighty harsh, I agree. When it's outside the box and results in a free-kick a long way from goal, he has denied a goal-scoring opportunity, and it isn't replaced. Getting away with just a booking for that seems pretty lenient.

    To me, the "fair" rule would be a red card if it's outside the box, but only a yellow if it results in a penalty. That way it's not a triple punishment, but the fouled team still benefits during the match. Having said that, encouraging fouls in the box when there's an open goal is a dangerous route to take, as Bath suggests. The alternatives would be to award a penalty wherever the foul occurs and book the player, or just leave things as they are!

    I don't know quite how a sin-bin would be implemented, but I'd be wary of it having an impact on results, which can't be reversed after the event. If a player gets a dodgy booking it could be rescinded later, but if he was off the pitch for 15 mins, causing his team to concede, you can't undo that as easily.
     
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  4. Astro Canary

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    I suppose I don't want a team to be disadvantaged too heavily for one tackle. You're only rewarding the attacking team with the chance they should have had with a penalty or free-kick, fine. But with a sending off, you're giving them more subsequent chances. Its a tough one, because as Bath says more scope for cheating (which happens sometimes anyway with diving etc) if the punishment is lenient. However, you can only get one yellow card in a game before getting sent off. I'm not saying remove all punishments, only decreasing one aspect, giving the benefit of doubt once per player per game (which maybe too many for some...).

    The benefit of the current system is that its pretty clear what the consequences are if you go in for a tackle as the last man you're going to run the risk of severe punishment, whereas if its a decision of yellow or red depending on whether the tackling player made a genuine attempt to get the ball or 'cheating' will be subject to the referee's decision, and therefore will not be consistent from referee to referee...

    Don't think sin bins will work for football.
     
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    Tony_Munky_Canary Well-Known Member

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    Sin bins would be a terrible idea in football, you'd just get one team shutting up shop and parking he bus for ten minutes while one of their players gets to put his feet up, have a nice break and re-charge his batteries.
     
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    Anybody who gives away a penalty should be castrated and then hung, drawn and quartered :grin: :grin:
     
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  7. SuffolkCanary

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    This is a bit outside of the box in thinking and I'm not really sure what I think of it but what about an nhl style one on one penalty for last man fouls outside the box? The team still get there goal scoring opportunity
     
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    What if the keeper then brings the attacker down with a foul? Would it then be a red card? ;)
     
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    The keeper is not allowed to leave his area, if he brings the player down it is a penalty and a yellow card
     
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    Another idea could be, for last man fouls anywhere outside of the box, a penalty should be awarded but is to be taken from anywhere along the semi circle on the edge of the box, no wall allowed.
     
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  11. Bath-Canary

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    I still think this is trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist, denying a goal scoring opportunity with a foul is an attempt at cheating, so the other team should get that chance back and there should be a punishment. If you were going to drop one of the 3 I'd suggest it should be the suspension.
     
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  12. JKCanary

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    The only thing I would say is that if the ref deems the defender to have made a genuine attempt to play the ball (even getting a bit of the ball in the process of fouling the attacker), and has not simply scythed the attacker down, it should be a yellow card instead of a straight red.

    If that makes sense.
     
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  13. Astro Canary

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    I would agree with this, and would solve a lot of the issues... However, you get into interpretation of what is a genuine effort from the player from a referee who is already under a lot of pressure to be consistent game to game etc... But I feel the consequences of getting the wrong call (good challenge or 50-50 but red card) compared to bad challenge but gets away with yellow or no card, are not equivalent, being harsher on the former...
     
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