Roof jack, your initial post was very good and does show that the club had a very difficult run to deal with, both from a fixture list and injury perspective. ML managed us through that as best he could....9 points gained when most of us, in all honesty, would have predicted 10-12 points. If it is true that he was told in mid Jan that the board wasn't happy and coaching changes needed to be made, I'm surprised we got past Birmingham, never mind Fulham. It also makes me wonder what was really behind the Monk/Chico argument, but I'm sure things went south behind closed doors pretty quickly. I'm behind Monk 100%, as I would be for anyone leading the Swans. Whether the job is his long term is unknown...his first real test is tomorrow v Liverpool. As much as the Napoli game was impressive, their style may have suited us more than Liverpools will. We played very well against them under ML earlier this season ....surely now that Monk has lifted us to even greater heights, a win is surely on the cards
Lol , it's amazing what you can pretend to believe project . I'm so pro swan it hurts , but between the manner of Laudrup's sacking and the 5th round FA Cup line up that disrespected the oldest football competition there is , foundations have been rocked in most outsiders that respected"The Swansea Way " of doing things .
I don't believe you. Since you joined here you have been trouble, you need to earn trust here before your voice carries any sort of weight and influence. I'll keep supporting my club, you keep trying to divide this board if you want to. But don't pretend you support the clubs best interests at heart, it's pathetic.
I write a perfectly good article about the accomplishments of Laudrup and his team up till Christmas , 27 games , explaining we're into the 2nd round of the Europa Cup , 5th round of FA Cup and on pace for almost 50 points and all I get is I hate the Swans and Monk , pitiful and speaks volumes about some frankly .And if trouble is not wanting to jump on a bandwagon going the wrong way like Cardiff fans , then your own right project , I' m trouble
After "suggestions " of fitness levels declining . Haha , thats why Monk is there valley , Huw knew he would take suggestions. Wonder if Huw suggested the FA Cup line up against Everton maybe too .
Do they have to be 100% wrong, and you 100% right? It is possible for there to be nuance involved - I personally am still not sure whether I really support the sacking or not. Considering the possibility of agreeing with Dai on something other than "i support swansea" is tough, trust me.
The content of the article is not the issue. The problem is people like you who refuse to let the matter take its course between the board, the previous manager and whoever else is involved. The content was discussed to death and yet you still want to bring it up knowing full well the intent is to antagonise, that is lame and massively immature. Time to grow up.
The difference is, those of us in the ML camp have already agreed that GM has made our performances better due to more commitment, but no-one in the HJ/GM camp have accepted their excuses of form are as useless as me pretending to be a cardiff fan. They instead keep on with the form of the last 39 games like it means anything, most won't even acknowledge that our last few games before ML got sacked were a horrid run, that had a huge ammount of important injuries, and that our first half of the season form was that of a team who will end up on 47 points. Many important facts that show ML was not in trouble in regards to keeping us up. So yes whilst they go on about the last 39 games like it has any relevance, then no I will not accept they are right, they are very much wrong, as the last few games of last season have absolutely no relevance to this season whatsoever, if they are deemed to have relevance, then include all of last seasons games. But they are picking a set of games to suit their argument. Like I said earlier in the thread, its like me taking his last 2 games and saying, because of those last 2 he should never have been sacked, as he would have got plenty of points. Its irrelevant in the grand scheme of things and it paints a skewed angle on it, so be fair to the bloke, and base any form stats on this season alone. Anything else is damn right disrespectful to a guy that made us a much better team.
I can't say I belong to any of the "camps". We all knew there wouldn't be a lot of points waiting for us in January with games against a lot of the big guns. I was never concerned but at the same time I was looking forward to the summer when he would quit for another job. I can't say I liked the team we had become. It is difficult to say exactly what seemed to be the problem but something was of. As long as i can remember, we have always played well against the big guns and f...ked up against the minor teams. This season we seemed to f...k up against all of them, but at the same time we had injuries so I thought I would get better. But the matches against Fulham and West Ham really stand out for me. Against Fulham we didn't play that well and where lucky to score two goals, both deflections from a opposition. I didn't get to see the match against West Ham but have heard that it was our worst game i ages. Either way, whatever side your on (or not on), you can't change the fact that Monk has brought something with him as the team is pretty much the same as ML had in his last couple of matches, except Vorm. There is another glow in the team. There is team spirit. There is commitment. Against Napoli it was like watching another team. Look at Dyer before and after. He is kissing the line and using his skills, while ML wanted him more in towards the middle. There is definitely differences. No big changes, just tweaked. And for those of you mentioning the fitness level. No way it is possible to raise the fitness level in such a short time.
Where have I bashed Monk valley , all I was saying is Monk is in a very precarious position and will have to do what he's told here and there . The article you posted said Monk had it "Suggested " to him that fitness levels were low .And that line up for the FA CUP either had to be Monk or the board , not rocket surgery
.Laudrup 's strategy up till Dec 22 , with a small squad , was nothing short of magnificent Got to be post of the week this week.. brilliant..
Everyone wants to bash Laudrup for the last 10 games last season without giving any credit to him for winning the League Cup and securing 40 points in 28 games in the Premier previous to that, seriously you just can't make this stuff up .
Had us on track for almost 50 points , 2nd round Europa and into the 5th round of the FA Cup up till Dec 22 . Instead of just spewing your anti Laudrup crap dai , explain why it wasn't brilliant up till then . I'm sure everyone will want your 55 years of swan expierence explaining your reasoning
SB .... your original post was spot on the money. You make an excellent case that the ostrich wing of the family of Swansea Supporters will never hear, never read diligently, never get their mind around. Some because they are too lazy. Some because they don't have enough mental horsepower. Some because they somehow get stroked in real life by factions at the club that didn't care for Laudrup, or by roles at the club that Laudrup occupied and didn't give them the mind share they thought they deserved. Some because they lack any sense of decorum and carry around a permanent FU chip on their shoulder, which gets engaged the moment anything challenges their tiny minds. Pick your poison - this is just a short list. The reality is you (and I on other forums, and others for that matter) are trying to fart against thunder. We know the reality of the situation. We express honest, cogent, supported opinion - on the Club, its executives and their patterns of conduct, on Laudrup, on Monk, on cause and effect and consequence - and it gets dismissed for all of the "poisons" cited above. It is frustrating, but it is what it is. Laudrup's record stands by itself, it is etched permanently in the results, in the trophies and in the players. His signings (Michu, Pablo, Chico, Canas, Amat etc), the emergence of Davies, the revitalization of Routledge, will say more about his acumen, his value proposition and competitive advantage long after he has gone than anything else. Ironically, these players will be the ever present legacy of Laudrup that will haunt the anti-Laudrup crowd forever - and of course that lovely piece of silver ware sitting in our trophy cabinet - the one that really counts, the one in which we had to get past 'Pool and Chelsea to win. To ignore the players would be to ignore the Swans .... so every time they watch, whether they like it or not, the essence of Laudrup will be staring them in the face saying FU back. The same thing happened with Sousa - another individual who performed a technical coaching miracle given the resources he had to work with and the support he failed to received from the HJ / Board / Whoever. He has been pilloried with out any justification whatsoever. No different from Laudrup, except Laudrup is a bigger persona and the ripples and back wash from this affair will not dissipate the same way. And here's the thing .... Monk will one day be fired or moved on as manager. It is inevitable. It is the fact of life for all football managers. And these same people that are now anti-Laudrup will have a new focus and a new target. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Managers come and go, but the "supporters" and their reactions stay the same. Another thing just struck me .... when Martinez and Rogers left they plundered the store and took valuable assets with them. Sousa left and took nothing but his record and pride and whatever compensation his contract mandated. Laudrup will no doubt do the same as Sousa. Why is it the foreigners deal us fair and the domestics don't (I class Martinez as a domestic since is career has been UK based by and large)? Curious isn't it.
Whooooh ha ha ha..This is comedy gold.. More more more Much better than watching UK gold any day of the week..
