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The non-Watford football thread

Discussion in 'Watford' started by North North Watford, May 1, 2012.

  1. oldfrenchhorn

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    Is that with the answers in front of you? <whistle>
     
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  4. Markthehorn

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    Another manger at Fulham now!

    Should have just kept with Jol probably - or actually appointed a manager in the first place rather than coach.
     
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    2/10 - ****e
     
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    74 days to do something. Beyond belief.
     
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    Wheels are coming off the QPHa waggon. Mini Bloother summed it up rather well, it's like a retirement home for ex premier league has-beens <laugh>
     
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  9. yorkshirehornet

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    Fingers crossed eh :)
     
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    So are we still 'all that is wrong with English football' or is Rooney really worth £300,000 per week?

    Unbelievable really, even from Moan United. :(
     
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    Holland, Tékkland, Tyrkland, Tékkland, Lettland, Ísland og Kasakstan
     
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  15. Markthehorn

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    My question would be - are Man U going to pay every big name signing they want to make the same?

    Afterall a world class player who is young and better isn't going to except less.
     
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    No of course not, but he or his agent had the nerve to ask for it and MU were stupid enough to pay it. I think it's called the point where demand = supply.

    This is one of the areas where capitalism lets itself down.
     
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  17. Raphael

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    Not really - it is where capitalism excels. Money from ultra rich MU goes to Rooney. He buys a Ferrari. The Ferrari salesman buys a case of bubbly. The bubbly salesman buys a nice meal out for the family - etc etc. So long as money circulates and spreads out a lot of people benefit. Of course nobody is worth £15 million a year. I could never get anyone to pay me that amount so good luck to him
     
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    Rarely has such a post on these boards offended me like this one has. You are delusional if you think that's what happens. The reality is that the wages go up for the stars, the tv revenue need to increase to pay for it as do the ticket prices, shirts, merchandising etc etc. Who pays for all that? We do, the man in the street.
    I have a decently paid job, creating real wealth in the community, slogged through 5 years of university to get the qualifications to begin to know how to do it, and still get paid less in 18 months than Rooney does in a week - and I know that when I walk into the Vic on a Saturday afternoon I am a damned sight better paid than the majority of the other punters in the ground.

    And this 'is where capitalism excels'?<steam> You need to think again.
     
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  19. hornethologist a.k.a. theo

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    There are so many things to take issue with here it's difficult to know where to begin. Firstly capitalism is not a force which acts divorced from human behaviour. We live in a country which politically has decided it works better than a state-planned economy yet it is plain it has not enabled us to avoid significant inequalities. It is a reality that WR will get his inflated pay rise, that an intensive care nurse or a fireman will feel financially undervalued but there's no sign the high earnings of one are percolating down to impreove what the others deserve to get. What's more those about to make their way into employment plainly have a harder time ensuring any kind of wage than they once did. For capitalism to excel there would need to be much more evidence that the financial position of people in general was significantly improving. What actually appears to happen is that high earners circulate their extra cash among themselves. Wishing WR good luck suggests the whole economic system is random, devoid of any moral focus. It's not. We or the politicians we vote for decide broadly how wealth will be distributed, even if few are willing to accept the tax consequences of trying to lessen the wealth divide. I don't blame WR for the wage he's accepted. I do feel embarrassed that the game I love can't find better ways of spending its money.
     
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  20. Raphael

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    OK - so perhaps I do not really believe that is where it excels. What I think I meant then was that this is an example of capitalism in its extreme. Before I go on perhaps you can at least confirm that for you my post was in the same category of offensiveness as those who gloated over Margaret Thatcher's death - as if you cannot then I will have you marked in my book and your opinions will be of no value to me.

    Now let me elaborate. We can both be right. Rich people buy things and this does cause a trickle down of money. Do not forget that the taxman also takes a large share for the state. Does Rooney's wage rise push up TV deals or is it cause and effect in the opposite direction? If Sky did not bid up TV for those people desperate to see these superstars then the money would not be there to pay them. I do not subscribe to Sky for exactly that reason. For me it is the TV companies who have ruined a sport I used to love. The formation of the Premier League was the death knell of competitive football in England at the top level. In 1983 a newly promoted Watford were able to finish runners up in the top division. That could never happen now.

    It is your "man in the street" who cannot walk away from this football spiral who feeds it. If people were to say enough is enough and we will not pay these prices, if they said they would not watch Sky Sport or Virgin or whatever then the law of supply and demand - pure capitalism - would help correct the imbalance. Don't buy the merchandise - it is people who do who are to blame not the footballers themselves nor the clubs who are desperate for success. You get what you wish for so don't cry for the man at the Vic. When he has had enough he will vote with his feet and the football clubs and TV will know.

    Your wealth or mine is irrelevant. I happen to be living on far less than the average wage but I cut my cloth accordingly. I am well educated but have very little income - does that mean I have to be envious of rich people - no. Does that mean I support those jealous people who want to rob the richest 5% to give to the likes of me - no.

    Wherever I stand in the economic scale of things I accept it. Why? Because for a start I am aware that simply by living in the UK I am enjoying a standard of living probably in the top 5% in the world. Shall we rob the UK and spread our wealth across Asia and Africa?

    Those people fortunate enough to have a special talent have my blessing to earn what they can while they can - and if some people are fools enough to pay to allow their lifestyle but then complain at it then they have themselves to blame.

    I can assure you I am not delusional and perhaps it is you who need to think more deeply and not knee jerk your response as if everything in life is not connected.
     
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