This is all starting to get a bit out of hand. In the grand scheme of life, how important is football? Let's face it, for the vast majority it's just a hobby! A name's just a name and a team's just a team. At the end of the day, football doesn't matter, win, lose or draw, it doesn't affect our livelihoods but money does. I would rather have the extra £250 in my pocket rather than giving it to some overpaid, pampered prick. I will always be thankful that the Allams saved my club, I couldn't care less what it's called. Hull City? Hull Tigers? Doesn't matter one bit. What does matter though, is that we still have 11 players going out onto a pitch and representing the city of Hull. We were days away from extinction, we're now mid-table in the Premier League. C'mon, let's all get together, support our club and see where Bruce and the Allams can take it before we criticise.
The more and more I think about this the happier I become. Allam will not, in a hundred years, put ticket prices up 50%, as that would drive away 90% of season card holders and plummet the revenue that he currently receives from season card holders. What this suggests is a final strategy to put weight on the FA to approve the name change. It also suggests that he knows that the name change is on the verge of being denied. What happened to his 24 hour threat of walking away? That seems to have been conveniently forgotten if he is discussing plans for what to do if the name change doesn't go through. Those two sponsors that are waiting in the wings for the name change? We will have a shirt sponsor next season one way or not - I suspect Tiger Beer or Tiger Airlines will sign on with or without the name change, and it will be spun to us in some way that makes him come out a winner. Basically what I take from this is that Allam will stick around, the name change will be defeated, and he will move on to other avenues to raise revenue for the club. Top stuff.
It's smoke and mirrors and always has been. Read 'em and weep; but don't, because we are getting nearer to the truth and there will be no surprises. The only legacy this man intended to build was one for his family empire and his own magnificence. His lies and deceit will not be easily forgiven by many; why should they be? His 24hr departure was always obvious in its style (I think I was the first to define it when it first broke): the pharoah is dead, long live Pharoah Ehab; complete with the interfering spectre of the patriarch that is inscrutable, but imperfect, nonetheless. One removed, but never absent. A deal has to be offered before it can be brokered; another option might be possible and that takes dialogue. Allem did not talk about anything other than freehold and he refused to share; all he wanted was a WIN/lose, where a win/win was needed. That is what the interview with TG says and it has never been challenged - I wonder why. You are right, there seems to be some strange notion that sponsorship guarantees success. We still have to survive a real relegation dogfight and we have not looked like a true winning team for some time now - perhaps those umpteen millions of potential foreign Hull Tigers supporters will accept that as well as us home-grown hooligans - you never know there might be a sponsor out there with the same tendency to take a punt as the mighty Pharoah Assem Allam.
We are days away from extinction. Why don't dimbos like you get it? Hull City will be no more if the current owner has his way.
Why would any sponsor who already had the name Tiger need or want the club to be called Hull Tigers? It makes no commercial sense. There will of course have been talks, but to be honest, if the future of the club is being placed into the hands of a sponsor that see's real marketing benefits in the name being changed, it can only make things worse. Aren't the press bastards though, just when you think they are on one side you find the old buggers come back and bite. Build em up and knock em down.
The man has lost all integrity His communication strategy is amateurish His leadership style dictatorial His knowledge of football non-existant His appreciation of history and tradition nil The lies about the mysterious sponsorship deals will never come out since the name change won't be accepted This man is being slowly found out, he can't get out of the well. His claims of philanthropy slowly but surely discredited.
How are we days away from extinction? If you're referring to the debt we have 80 odd % of that is loaned from Allam house which if he walked away tomorrow he loses his right to regain (due to a breach of contract and there is no clause allowed that can go higher than the common law). It's simple Allam either finds an owner who pays the debt (which would have to be a bloody good owner), walks away into the sunset or he stays at the club allowing it to rot (similar to Oyston at Blackpool) or further investing. Likelihood is the first
The loan is from his company not from him. If he walks away from the club then it is completely independent of the contract between his business and the club. His business can then recall the loan unless there's a fixed period for repayment included in it. There's nothing to repay it with, but everything the club has would be sold and the proceeds handed over as the loan is secured against the assets of the club whatever they may be at the time. They'd still lose basically all the money, but that's the doomsday scenario that won't ever happen rather than there being some breach of contract issue preventing it. EDIT: The poster you quoted was referring to the fact that if it goes ahead there will be no Hull City AFC any more.
The question really is. How much is a PL club really worth? If we stay in the PL, is the squad value combined with the returns from the TV money enough to make the club a relatively cheap way of getting into the league? I cannot agree with the train of thought that says if the club was sold Assem Allam would lose money. In order to get into the PL many owners would put up similar amounts over a five year period. Buying into a club at this level is possible not a cheap option but is surely less of a gamble? The loans could remain in place, with only the interest payable, so I do not think that the threat of walking away has gone, nor do I think that there is any reason to dis believe the intent. Assem Allam may have the view that he has taken the club as far as he can.
The price will be going up with or without the name change, so this is hardly something new. This way they can bump it up a bit more than they would otherwise have dared and blame it on the campaign. Over and above what it would have gone up anyway it's about 2 or 3 pints of beer a month, and that's the maximum in the extreme case scenario. Seems reasonable to me, we know more money needs to be raised, so chucking something extra into the pot to keep our proper name's a fair exchange.
TOM, I think you have a theoretical point, but it appears to get lost in your train-of-thought. Surely someone who takes over the club would need significant wealth to move it to that next level, the one that AA cannot move it to. We have seen the control ethic of AA and there is nothing in that which would lead me to believe he would extend the existing loans of Allamhouse to a new owner (controller) in any way, shape or form, as they are so large: unless it is his son (possible, if not probable). Someone else, one of our resident financial gurus, might offer a view on how the financial restrictions might come into play if the club was bought with external borrowing to it's current levels and further, subsequent investment of around £50M (enough to make a significant change - this may be too little). I find it hard to believe that any negotiations at that level would not be in the buyers favour, almost inevitably resulting in some level of loss to AA. I agree it is less of a gamble, but a gamble nonetheless. The roughshod handling of the club's image and support wouldn't help those odds; especially if the sale relied on some form of Tiger brand realignment - something that AA, as a selling owner, had failed to achieve (otherwise why sell?). I think the threat of him walking is now replaced with the shadow of him back-peddling and yes, he has taken the club more than far enough for me - next.
The price someone would pay for City comprises 3 elements: . The value of fixed assets, land, buildings and equipment and stuff. This can't be more than £5m . The value of variable assets, essentially player and staff contracts. Future premier league income streams also come in here, but they are very uncertain and in case are valueless as they are offset by committed expenditure (player contracts). This might be worth £15m tops. . The value of a new owner's vanity. What is he prepared to spend from his own stash for the pleasure of owning a PL club? You can't get a loan for this, you have to fund this yourself. As Dr Allam knows only too well. I'd be amazed if there's a soul out there willing to pay more than £30m for Hull City right now. Which even if I'm wrong by a factor of two, puts Allam's current spend-splurge into sharp context.
so if i change my name Ill disappear of the face of the earth?? no ill still be there will my familys support my own spirit and personality I always had. It would be abit weird if people that once supported me walked away from me for such a minor thing?
Who you talking to Olly? Aggro changed his name ages ago, therefore he doesn't exist. He also deleted all his previous history too, so we don't know anything about him.
Im talking to anyone thats scared of change and on the verge of a nervous breakdown over a name, which wouldnt change anything. UTT
God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Some aren't at all scared of change, it's just we've learned that not ALL change is good.
