....... am I missing something? It's not a big deal, and I'm not much bothered, but Moyes seems to be immune from criticism in some quarters. The Daily Star have done an analysis on why United are struggling and giver the 5 big reasons. It appears that the players, who have all won more medals & trophies than Moyes, are to blame. The likes of Vidic, Evans, Mata & Rooney are all to blame it would appear. Moyes, it seems, is the victim and everyone else is to blame. Even the failure of his tactics are the fault of the players. I'd have thought the Man Utd board are to blame for appointing a manager who's never won a thing in his career. He looks further out of his depth than that lass who fell off the North Sea ferry.
I agree Smug, He looks clueless at the moment. That performance the other night was so tactically inept it was embarrassing. It will be interesting if he survives the summer when some big hitters will be available..somehow I doubt it
He seems to struggle to attract players, so has to take the easy option with players from English clubs, and the board must be wondering if they should give him the money needed to totally change the squad. If he get it wrong it could take years to put right. We're still suffering from Bruce's **** ups.
After his first move was to buy fellani to be the core of his team and found out fellani was not as good as he thought then I began to have my doubts. However Man U dont give up quickly on their managers so I think he'll get more time.
No one knows to be truthful, Alex Ferguson removed the need to change by winning things. United haven't been in this position since the mid-80's. Ferguson was famously given time because the previous few managers had seen United relegated and scraping a few FA Cup wins. The opposite situation exists now ..... United, and the fans, have has nothing but success and the mindset is totally different. IMO, Moyes won't be trusted with the multi-million budget needed to rebuild the squad. He has no 'pulling power, no history of success and limited European experience ..... not that he'll need much next season.
I'd agree Moyes needs to take more of the blame for this mess. He's got us into the state we are in when he walked in and had a clear out of staff personnel. These staff know the mentality of the football club, we won so much by being patient and playing to the opponents weaknesses, Fergie adapted the formation and tactics to suit each game. Moyes sets up with his style and assumes the players will just be Everton 2.0 the upgraded version. This worries me more than anything else, as he seems set in his ways tactically. He isn't allowing for creativity from the player's own free will, he's forcing the creativity through Januzaj and now Mata and it's easy for opponents to deal with as you could all see when we lined up against the whipping boys of the PL and come unstuck. I'm prepared to write this season down as a loss but I wouldn't dream of letting him loose with more funds unless he can finish the season strongly. United's value on the stock exchange is worth much more to the Glazer's than Fergie's wishes of giving managers time. They have a massive financial asset in this club and if they aren't careful the value will plummet much faster than it is at the minute, so Moyes is under a hell of a lot of pressure in his position, he isn't as safe as Gary Neville and co might have you believe in my opinion.
People are way too keen to trot out the 'Fergie was give time, so Moyes will' routine. Things have changed since the 'olden days' in the mid-80's and, as you say, this is all about money for The Glazer's. I can't imagine how players who've won everything possible will be fired up by a career loser saying, "Right lads, where you're going wrong is ..................."
In my youth, Man Utd was a revolving door for managers. Wilf McGuiness, Frank O'Farell. Tommy Docherty, Dave Sexton, etc etc etc as Smug said Fergie winning things takes away the need for change. But Utd are a global brand and as such will rely on the income for their continued involvement in the Champions League. If they fail to qualify, I just cannot see the Glazers risking another season where they might or might now get into the CL.
This. Lets see how much patience they have if they dont get in the CL. Their business model is built around this revenue stream. Ferguson is the only example (alongside Wenger) of a long serving manager in the PL. It wasnt the fact that he was long serving that made him successful, it was the fact that his continued success brought him longevity. A point often overlooked. In the case of Wenger, presumably Arsenal deem CL qualification every year as success, but at Real Madrid he wouldnt have lasted 2 yrs with his record. There are many things wrong with Man U - can Moyes fix it ? Im sure 200 million quid will go a long way to help, which is what they need to spend
United weren't worth near £2bn when Fergie took over so we could afford to give him time, the game wasn't revolving around money so Fergie got that time. Now, like you say, money talks louder than Fergie or Charlton or any other director, in fact I'd say with Fergie being a betting man, if he owned the club he'd either have already fired Moyes or be considering it by now. A season outside of the title challenge is acceptable, two, three times it's acceptable but The Glazer's won't accept 7th as acceptable under any circumstances. If we limp out of the Champions League against Olympiakos (I know we have no chance of winning the trophy) then Moyes will have hit rock bottom and will deserve to be fired. I want him to succeed but it's looking increasingly more and more unlikely considering the pressure he's under, our owners will not simply write off £250m like Roman or the Sheikh would.
Much cheaper to pay Moyes off, allow him to go to a little club like Newcastle, and bring a top manager in. I wouldn't trust Moyes with a large budget, he has little experience of spending big and making top signings.
I think he'd do well there with a decent owner who'd back him with funds. Obviously that's a pipe dream for Newcastle fans who appear to think somebody who they shout "Fat Cockney ****er" at every day will eventually find it funny and throw more money at their club. They all say "It's pocket change to Ashley", "Spend some money you fat ****". If I was him I wouldn't spend a quid that I didn't have to spend, I'd treat them like a scruffy, junkie guttersnipe, in that maybe once in a blue moon I'd chuck him the last bit of a sandwich, just so he'd **** off away from my car.
Terry, you bad lad. Newcastle supporters can't comprehend a simple fact. The more they issue their death threats, parade embarrassing banners, have mock funerals, smash their own town up and generally act like bellends the less likely it is they'll attract a new owner. Who would want to risk the 'Wrath of the Horse-Punchers' part 2 ............
That's what puzzles me, they want rid of the owner so badly that they shout abuse at him. Do they hope to find a new owner who has been living in a cave for the last 10 years with no tele? My guess is that unless Alan Shearer manages to somehow bore somebody into giving him a few billion quid, they're forever enslaved to the Ashley dictatorship. The difference between them and us, even after Moyes' disastrous start to the season, is that if our owners decided to sell up we'd have a queue of buyers, but funnily enough there's not as much interest in them, not until they find a goth billionaire who is into self harming and thrives on being told to f**koff and die.
I would like to think that any prospective owners would see what was going on and look at the bigger picture. Ok it is never great to see what a very small (albeit vocal) section of our fan base is up to but you can see why they are doing it. I often speak to different football fans who cannot understand the animosity between MA and the fans. The issue is that there is a lack of trust from our part (a relegation, questionable sackings and the hiring of friends who are useless merely to deflect ****) and a lack of any sort of ambition. All he wants to do is make money and that just is not possible. MA made us toxic to investors. The fans have done so too, to a point but only due to his actions. Back on topic. I saw this coming a mile off. My brother, sadly, is a Man Utd fan and I told him that there was a chance even we could finish above him. So that won't happen but I did say he should expect 6th/7th. David Moyes does not have a history of winning things. It is odd that they went for someone like that opposed to someone with a higher caliber. My only explanation could be that "better" managers did not want to ruin their reputation and follow on from Fergie. Thanks to the media, I think Moyes will get until the end of next season. If he is still empty handed he will be gone. Money talks and a slide down the league table costs more money that just what you would earn from a league place.
With regards to Ashley, yeah he did dig his own grave but you lot didn't back him through the troubled times, he admitted he made mistakes and he's never owned a sports club before so he was obviously going to have teething troubles. He saved you from liquidation and you repaid him by showing your support to the likes of Mark Viduka and Obafemi Martins who couldn't be bothered to put a shift in. Your club was in a HUGE mess and he saved you, yet you lot destroyed any good relations you could have had with him because Kevin 'serial loser' Keegan is a local hero. You should have taken relegation on the chin and supported your owner in the same way that he was supporting your club by not dissolving your club but by keeping it afloat with his own money. My guess is once you lot realised he wasn't a Roman Abramovic, you just decided to f**k him off and King Kevin walks away with his hands clean. I know it's not all fans but unfortunately for you and the other good lads, the media will only pay attention to the ones who sell papers and make good viewing. As for Moyes, he was a Fergie appointment. Fergie would be trusted with the future of the club in his hands so regardless of whether Mourinho wanted the job or not, Moyes was getting it because Fergie said so. So far it has backfired, we have lost probably 300-400m on the NY stock exchange, but chopping and changing at this point in the season considering we've got no chance of meeting season objectives, we might as well see what he's made of so he can't spout the old "I wasn't even given a full season" garbage. I still maintain I'd rather him turn it around though than sack him and another manager come in to succeed. Edit: Sorry to Bri for the long post.
Quite extraordinary, the Moyes thing. I think a massive majority, including myself, thought he was a perfect fit for United, likewise I know I, and pretty much every United fan I know thought Fellaini was exactly the player they needed to tighten up a team that won the title despite being obviously inferior in many parts to City & Chelsea. From his opening press conference he looked an uncomfortable fit, at the start of the season when creativity was clearly missing, he overlooked Kagawa, by the time he started playing him the players confidence, and as a result form, was shot to bits. No measures were made to improve a backline that any man could see was going into terminal decline, fond of Jonny Evans as we are up here, he is not a Vidic replacement, or Rio replacement, not in the same league. You can point to significant injuries, those to Rooney & Van Persie, but Hernandez is a very, very good forward, who looked alienated earlier in the season, and again, as such, doesn't seem to have that effortless enthusiasm about him that made him such a menace, the lad will leave seasons end, no question. Mata, a real wow signing and perfect for United, but Moyes hasn't the first idea how to get the best out of a central player with flair, pretty much every player blessed with skill he has had, has been a wide player (Miralles, Pienaar etc) and as such he set Everton up to use the channels, United simply don't have the players for that, Evra is no Bains, Da Silva hasn't the timing of Coleman, Nani, Valencia etc lack the quality & commitment, Januzaj is often 3 steps ahead of the team. Shoving Mata out wide is the ultimate failing for Moyes to date, it just suggests he doesn't know HOW to channel a side through the middle, and the much reported stats from the Fulham game back that up I guess. Getting a supposed 'underdog' Everton side to perform is different to getting a global superpower to perform, but the fact that Martinez has that Everton team less Fellaini looking a more natural & fluent, less graft & hard work side in the same position as he, again points to limitations. The Glazers are ruthless businessmen sat on a failing multi-billion pound investment, there is little question Moyes will be removed if a miracle recovery to 4th doesn't happen (it won't), and I wouldn't bet against them trying to fetch Mr Ottmar Hitzfeld out of his retirement. If they did that, would be straight back in the mix.
Ferguson controlled the media who were allowed access to Old Trafford to a frightening extent, and I would imagine that the same rules apply for Moyes..
He took MA to court over what happened between them and he won! Also your guess is horribly wrong. We knew from the offset he was no Abramovic. He has never had the funds to compete with him and nobody, to my mind, expected that. What also is not our fault is the fact that he rushed into a fire sale. How such an astute businessman could miss out on such a huge and glaring debt is beyond me. He "saved us" because leaving us to die would have cost him far, far more money. At the end of the day, you are right about one thing. We are lumbered with him and until he makes his money back (will easily take 10+ years) he will not leave. Moyes won't get sacked this season. That would be a ridiculous move. You hired him, you might as well give him some time. I heard that he was a Fergie appointment but was unsure how true that was. If so, I'd love to know what he saw in him that made him think he could take on such a job... You'd have been better off with the fat waiter . At least he has won trophies.
