Hope Powell? Ha! I'm the only one to think of her so everyone else must be prejudiced against women... given that discussing prejudices on every thread seems to be fairly standard on here at the moment... or can we just have a sensible debate on the question, or ignore the thread if we don't find it merits debate? I think Hughton is the only one on the list that I'd be happy to have at Charlton if CP wasn't there...
Typical. Look at my edit above, posted before your reply. At what point have I demonstrated that I'm am frightened of discussing race? What is the prejudice is it that you think I have. I believe that Powell should remain our manager, he is black, that is utterly irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. I would appreciate it if you retracted what seems to be an accusation that I am racist. Unless you are accusing me of some unspecified other prejudice, in which case please specify.
It's like kicking water up a hill with you sometimes. It's patently obvious that CP to me at least that he should be sacked on results. I have noticed that he is not, I have also noticed that any people at the valley are cock a hoop at having a black manager - why? It's always in the papers, and on tV, yeah we know I wanted him as manager now I'm not bothered. I discovered he was black years ago. I am bothered however if that unexplained likening for his colour, keeps him in a job that he is clearly not cut out for any longer. If he was a neurosurgeon would those same people say just one more death and then .....
Where? Please provide evidence for that. And lots of it. Not just one quote from 1 fan, because that isn't enough. Charlton fans don't produce the TV coverage that focuses, too often, on the fact that CP is one of very few black managers. We don't care that he is black.
I didn't really want to spark this sort of debate, but as long as it is civil... I would have mentioned Hope Powell if I thought she was any good, but I don't, so I won't. Chris Hughton and Chris Powell seem to be bedfellows with regards to their conservative and defensive tactics. Surely this isn't the bedrock of any managers who used to be defenders? So, who are the great managers who used to be defenders?
There are loads out there. You can't expect me to drag LL in as a witness can you ? Why is it that CP is referred to as England's brightest black Manager? Or black manager. And say Cousins is not England brightest black prospect? Why is that? Or Darren Bent is a black striker? It's all part if the british not being comfortable with race.... Tonite proves my point.
Typical. The reason it's in the papers and on TV is because there exists an interesting question: why so many black players and so few black managers? I accept that there may be some good answers to this, but that accounts for the media interest. I am yet to meet the Charlton fan who is cock-a-hoop about having a black manager, and whether or not you agree with the arguments they present, I am yet to see a contributor to this forum give race as a reason for retaining his services. Please find me one. Also please explain what prejudice I am accused of.
I read Charlton Life and sometimes have a look at ITTV. I haven't seen any. Please show them to me. All LL was doing in this thread was pointing out that you and Vol are the ones bringing race into it. LL has stated clearly that 'Powell should remain our manager, he is black, that is utterly irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.' As I said, it's the media, not Charlton fans, who refer to Powell as a black manager. I have never once seen any Charlton fan describe Cousins in relation to his skin, merely in relation to the very promising start to his Charlton career. No Charlton fan, anywhere, is using CP's skin colour as justification for retaining him as manager.
It's getting boring now. I've never ever ever bought race into it. You lot do. Your so awkward in discussing colour that even the word black frightens you. I merely questions people judgement and wonder why we are not sacking an bloke that can't scratch his arse without picking the wrong finger. I am using the media as a example of people's prejudices and if people read the press then maybe the temptation is to believe it....it does happen.
So you have no examples of fans saying that we should retain Powell because he's black? I have referred to Powell's colour perfectly comfortably throughout this debate and yet you maintain that I find discussing matters of race difficult. You continue to accuse me of an unspecified prejudice. I think it's quite clear that Powell's race is of no concern to the Captain and me. I agree with one thing you say here: It's getting boring now. Mostly because you disregard what others actually say and decide and make assertions about what they think to suit your world view.
Liar. Your opening post in the 'Powell will be sacked by 8pm tonight' thread said: You don't explicitly mention his skin colour but it's clearly implied that you're referring to it by mentioning 'middle-class plastic minges'. Or do you deny that? Lower down the thread you mention: Again not explicit, but it's clear you are implying some Charlton fans would rather have a black manager than have good results. I have now asked you twice for examples of this, and you haven't provided any. We only keep referring to skin colour BECAUSE you and Vol keep bringing it up. Whenever we mention it, we usually make clear that his skin colour has nothing to do with what we think of him as manager. In this post, and others, I have used the word black, so it clearly doesn't frighten me. I think we're going round in circles now. Apologies if everyone else is bored by this.
I had a think, one that comes to mind is Sir Alf Ramsey. Can't think of many more at the moment though.
Charlton life on 4th jan 2014, ....."with a black manager and a woman director Charlton are going for the Nobel peace prize......" That's one without bothering to look up the myriads more out there. So really are you feeling a bit embarrassed now? you should be. I doubt I will get an apology but that's what I get for pointing out the obvious. Your the exact sort I was talking about when I posted about minges.... And don't call me a liar, your inability to separate class and race has made you look a right plum.
Is it this quote from carly burn on Jan 9th? That was a joke, and furthermore it is in no way using CP's skin colour to make an argument to keep him. Can you not see that? So no, I'm not feeling in any way embarrassed. I suggest you should be. And thanks for calling me that word, does it make you feel better hurling insults? You said you had never brought race into it. I found examples of you doing exactly that, which I notice you don't deny. So you are a liar.
I can safely say I would not renew my season ticket if Paul Elliott was installed as our chairman. Now that is a guy who has made a living out of his skin colour. His lies about racism during an Old Firm derby are sickening. I feel ill when I see the guy. There are probably a few dudes out there who love the fact that we have a black manager, but I'm sure the majority want CP to stay and do well because he is a club legend and a decent man. This is not enough to keep him in a job, though, and I just hope he leaves with his reputation untarnished.
I'd say he's a very good manager, certainly. I'm not sure about great, though. Wikipedia suggests he was a midfielder in any case. Mourinho has done pretty well with conservative and defensive tactics - see when his Inter Milan side beat Bayern in the 2010 Champions League final for instance.
There is nowt wrong with conservative tactics, I agree. I'll be happy for Mourinho to join us after his Chelsea tenure. I always thought Ancelotti was a defender, so that's put me straight. I was going to say I'd mistaken him for Capello, but then I realised he was a midfielder too.
I am a decent man. I earn loads and feel no shame in taking it when I am costing people their jobs and others their dreams. However, I come first and I can play on people's sympathy cos I am a leg end. I wonder I'd I should point mr back ladder to some of the post on Charlton loyal or the posts on ittv but he will get angry again and call me a liar...as for charlton life they delete any Powell out posts! So forgive me for searching for an answer that some people find so offensive.....
