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F1 2014 Season: Lineup's - Rumours - News

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by EternalMSC, Jan 29, 2013.

  1. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    Ferrari International Assistance is still going strong...........

    What chances that Renault were handed a different specification of engine rules that the FIA/Bernie/Ferrari knew wouldn't work, just so RBR would fail!?

    Is Bernie paying Kimi's salary so Ferrari have two decent drivers?

    Have all these RBR employee's actually left, or has Bernie kidnapped them?

    Should Adrian Newey worry about that bright red dot that keeps appearing in the middle of his forehead?
     
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  2. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    A bit harsh! Non of the teams wanted the rule including Ferrari.

    Bernie keeps changing the story of the origin of this rule. Why doesn't he come clean and say the real reason is because he wanted his pals in abu dhabi to have a race with more importance.
     
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  3. BrightLampShade

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    [h=1]Drivers think new Formula 1 cars 'a bit too slow' at the moment[/h]Formula 1 drivers think that the new generation of cars are too slow at the moment, even if they are still hugely challenging to drive.
    The first experience of the turbo V6 machines at Jerez last week showed that although the new engines are still delivering plenty of horsepower, they are lacking in cornering speed.
    The best lap time of the test set by Kevin Magnussen was eight seconds off the best ever lap time set in testing at the Spanish track by Michael Schumacher back in 2004.
    That speed deficit has left a number of drivers worried that F1 has lost some of its sparkle.
     
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  4. 51LV3R8RR04

    51LV3R8RR04 Well-Known Member

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  5. 51LV3R8RR04

    51LV3R8RR04 Well-Known Member

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    IMO this sounds like Bernie's farewell speech, he intends to put the double point blame on Ferrari entirely for their bitching about losing all the time to Red Bull and stacking the sport in their favour time after time again... First it was DRS and marshmellow Pirelli's because Alonso couldn't get past Petrov and Luca had a bitch about that, now it's double points because Alonso missed out on the 2012 WDC and that Luca again had the hump and trying to win the WDC in the board room, trying to convince the FIA into giving a penalty to Vettel with a suspected yellow zone overtake...

    Amazing what one driver and one team can do mentally to the opposition to literally make racing in the sport a joke because they have a superiority complex with always seemingly being able to blame others for their own failings and never admitting they're just not as good as RBR!!! Psychology 101... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superiority_complex And that 'mighty Ferrari can swat the arrogant Red Bull team with a swat of their hand' whenever they feel like it is their biggest downfall. Ferrari's historical stats meaning nothing to the present with Red Bull so no fancy speeches of Ferrari's history will change the fact they have been crushed by Red Bull in almost everything.

    To be honest I don't even believe the crap out of that teams mouth anymore with regards to the wind tunnel being the problem, the whole team ethos IS the problem and that Luca's role has now become redundant in the modern world as Toto Wolff explained with team principles being phased out. Luca is just some rich Italian sitting on his throne not having a clue how to beat Red Bull other than to bitch about changing the rules in his teams favour or he will use the threat to leave the sport. Ferrari need a massive management change as well as a technological upgrade if they want to stay at the top for the long term in this era, as I bet you anything Ferrari will be left standing still again in 2-3 years time by Mercedes-Red Bull and eventually McLaren, let alone the development rate this season which they have failed to keep up with in the last 4 years.

    FFS I've read the tifosi forums time to time, and probably only about 25% of them actually admit their team have been totally outclassed by RBR for the last 5 years and they have been in a rebuilding phase. Oh well! that happens in all sports, new tactics and technologies come into play and the once previous leaders get left behind by the new guys who are more ahead of the curve then you are for a time being. The other 75% of Ferrari fans actually delude themselves that they're getting screwed over by FOM and the FIA!!!

    If you don't like the game Ferrari and Luca, f**k OFF! Don't drag the rest of us down with you over the sport, because if you like they will all pull out and you can just drive by yourselves on track if you can't take losing.
     
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  6. allsaintchris.

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    Drivers complain that cars are too slow.

    One of them is Adrian Sutil, who seemed to have great difficulty keeping his on track!!

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112403


    20-30% less downforce means less grip in the corners, so drivers can no longer just throw the cars in and expect them to grip like they are on rails.

    Good!

    Means drivers have to judge corner speeds better and mistakes will be punished.

    Seems some of the drivers forget that it is them who are also supposed to be the pinnacle of motor sport, not just their cars. If they were too easy to drive, then any tom, dick or harry could do it.

    I hope to see more driver errors this year as we can then see who's questionable talents were being masked by how much grip the cars used to have.
     
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  7. Smithers

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    Button suggested that he felt they would be about 3 seconds down at the start of the season, which considering the reduced downforce levels and harder compound tyres isn't that bad for what is in effect a new formula. No doubt by the end of the season they will be there or thereabouts in out right pace but the issue may be more related to fuel conservation in the race.

    Edit: I would prefer to see the lap times reduce and I made this point last year that whilst the cars are being designed to compete a whole race on a single input of fuel, then by nature they are designed differently to the peak power of the V10's racing in sprints with fuel stops.
     
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  8. u408379965

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    Sutil was the only one who complained. Alonso and Massa acknowledged that the cars were slower but they weren't complaining. They're only six seconds slower than last year. Once they start to get everything running flat out I don't think they'll be very far away.
     
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  9. 51LV3R8RR04

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    I read stories that downforce levels are actually equal to last year as aero had advanced a year.
     
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  10. BamalamaFizzVaj

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    but what difference does it make? the fastest cars will still be at the front :emoticon-0112-wonde, as it has always been. If anything it'll probably mean the grid will be even more spread out, and it's less likely we'll see any surprise results once the general order of the cars has been established.

    I think people are getting little overexcited at the prospect of Vettel not winning, and will no doubt be hyping every little drift or wobble as some kind of amazing new spectacle that F1 hasn't seen since the 80s.
     
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  11. EternalMSC

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    Think it's been going downhill since 2004 to be honest. Actually let me rephrase that, I don't mind the rules and regulations changing to challenge the drivers more, but in terms of the pinnacle of speed/downforce yes it has been going downhill whether it is bad or not is subjective.
     
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  12. Smithers

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    Like I have said before, as soon as the cars were designed to run without fuel stops the philosphy of outright speed would have to be compromised. Its difficult to comprehend that we lap 5 odd seconds slower in race trim than quali trim, but if we then compare that to the outright quali pace in previous years, it is again several seconds down on the optimum we have seen in the past - it does seem odd that the rules/regulations appear to be attempting to slow them down further.
     
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  13. u408379965

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    I disagree slightly with that. In terms of lap time it's gone downhill but I think downforce levels have increased, the cornering speeds were probably at their quickest in 2010/11, or possibly 2008. They used to be a lot faster on the straights because of the bigger engines, higher rev limits and lower downforce, they used to reach up to 370km/h at Monza. Banning driver aids and re-fuelling has increased lap times as well.
     
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  14. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    I wanna see formula X, where there are no technical rules at all and we can see exactly how fast around a race track a vehicle can go.
     
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  15. eddie_squidd

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    Once the teams have optimised the cars under the current regulations we will see the field bunch up again and we will see lap-times fall. The periodic changes in regs happen for two reasons, either the cars would eventually become too fast for the circuits or the human bodies inside to manage (can you imagine the speeds cars could achieve and the g-forces they could generate with modern 3.5 litre V12s, blown diffusers, active suspension, mass dampers, ABS, traction control etc etc); or the other reason is from time to time a car or driver is felt to be too dominant and those in charge of the sport decide this is bad for the spectacle and legislate their advantage away.

    So yes, when a new set of rules comes in lap-times rise to begin with but eventually as engineers copy each other's designs are find clever new trick and loopholes it all evens out and they fall back to pretty much as you were.
     
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  16. BamalamaFizzVaj

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    the problem with that is i see a lot of people asking for the drivers to be "challenged more", yet when they recently introduced more demanding tyre management which punished locking up or being too aggressive with the throttle or brakes, people just complained that the drivers weren't able to drive flat out, whilst at the same time you have people complaining they want the handling to be gimped so they can't drive flatout. They can't win, until peoples favourite driver is top of the podium, then as i said people will think the rules are brilliant, and will be fawning over every little power slide and trying to make out the driver is far more important.

    As soon as you try to manipulate the result, people will just complain until they get the result they want.
     
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  17. EternalMSC

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    Good point, better than what I put, completely forgot about TC and refueling as factors. I am glad you can see what I mean in lap-time as a whole has increased because of these factors.

    Basically the 2014 spec cars are the baseline for evolution out of the new regulations, eventually one team will gain dominance in this and the cars will become ever faster. Until the regulations change again. Good point.
     
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  18. EternalMSC

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    But the drivers won't be able to cope, unless they have carbon fibre necks.
     
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  19. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    gee suits would do the trick
     
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  20. 51LV3R8RR04

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    F1 would make millions in dvd sales of G-force training at least 6-G's

    [video=youtube;Yjg6mRFzZzE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjg6mRFzZzE[/video]
     
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