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Pardew's Comments - Ominous?

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  1. Beardsley's Rancid Sack

    Beardsley's Rancid Sack Well-Known Member

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    Anyone pick up on a couple of Pardew's comments after the game yesterday? Namely these:

    'Back to basics, going to have to change our style' - reading these yesterday filled me with dread. And I wasn't the only one to pick up on them. Glenn Roeder was on Talksport this morning and pulled up these exact comments, stating that they usually mean one thing - playing it straight from back to front. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt, but that Cabaye situation isn't going to change anytime soon.
     
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  2. Albert's Chip Shop

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    I'm in no doubt it's hoof ball all the way from now on.
     
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  3. Obi Wan

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    Willo hoofing it up to Shola and Luuk. I can't wait.
     
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  4. Agent Bruce

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    Just give it a bit more time, it'll come down.
     
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    Pardew should not be sacked for yesterday's performance. He should be sacked if these comments mean playing like last year, though.

    Smallest midfield in the country... I know, let's hoof it and let people compete for headers <doh>

    I was actually coming around to him again, because he may be thick as as a Mackem lasses bush, but at least he EVENTUALLY changed tactics. Reverting back is pathetic.

    Shame this utter f**kwit is the best we're allowed. Wish I could sack the lot of them. Pards, Fat f**k, and Joe Kinnear... In fact, if we're wishing... Revolutionary France would be where I'd go With them
     
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  6. Agent Bruce

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    He can do what the hell he likes now, I've had it, I can't take any more of this **** being served up as supposed football.
     
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  7. Albert's Chip Shop

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    That is the sentiment of most fans now.
    There's only so many times a dog can be kicked whilst down.
     
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  8. Eddie's British Plodders

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    Pardew seems to not have fully learnt the lesson from last season. Woeful longball tactics resulting in woeful performances across the course of an entire season were not enough to hammer it home. If he even thinks of playing longball again he needs to go.

    I just hope that Mark Douglas has his finger on the pulse with his suggestions that Kinnear may shortly be shown the door too.
     
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  9. Obi Wan

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    Problem is, without Cabs orchestrating, can we actually play other styles?

    Don't get me wrong, I totally hate long ball tactics. Always have, always will. BUT, do we have the players for a possession keeping, passing game? Do we have the players for a creative, penetrative style that worries defenders? Do we have the players to defend tightly then rampage forward on fast breaks?

    Even if Pards had other tricks up his tactical sleeve, I really don't think we have the personnel on the pitch.

    That said, if we did ever revert to hoofball, we don't even have the players to do that effectively without a proper target man and somebody fast alongside him. (And if anyone suggests Shola and Obertan, then I'll send JPF round to 'sort you out').
     
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  10. It's_all_Greek_to_me

    It's_all_Greek_to_me Well-Known Member

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    I'm in two minds as to whether to just stop the direct debit payments for my ST. Ashley only understands profit so why should i and other continue to line his pockets.
     
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  11. Obi Wan

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    It is tricky. If the cash flow slows down, it will take longer to generate enough profit to help pay him off, so he could be here even longer.
     
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  12. It's_all_Greek_to_me

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    That's the trouble. It's catch 22. I don't want to stop going. At the same time I don't want to put up with this crap anymore.
     
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  13. Eddie's British Plodders

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    Yes - see the Norwich match. We were dominant, the passing was quick and crisp, the movement was good and the only reason we didn't win by 3 or 4 was that Norwich have fitted a top secret gravity generator in their goalposts.
     
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  14. Boa

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    Sissoko was needed in cm pardew does weird things ben arfa Jeng even good going fwd now the players get worse add this to the fact We dont spend any money and its notgreat. Weve done well and times wilonly get worse. We need a good Manager lithat can make average players work well in a modern passing system. Pardew can blame Monet etc but he couldnt win anything at real madrid with his style, tactics and player selections.
     
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    Are we allowed to do that?
    They may get a bit pissy about that.
     
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  16. Albert's Chip Shop

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    Why would he blame a painter?
     
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  17. Boa

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    Hes a filestine
     
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  18. Keith Fit

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    The only tactic that has worked for Newcastle has been pressing a high-line with Remy up top-ish, Gouff left and Sissoko right. Whether Cabaye plays or not should not change this as the "number 10" role at Newcastle has NEVER been successfully filled until Cabaye hit that purple patch around November. The most important factor of any Pardew line-up is the work-rate. It was what got the team 5th and what has taken us - up til Xmas - to 8th this season, a very familiar feel of the wide player pressing, the 2 x DM's holding their shape and having a CM playing as the number 10 - an intelligent CM, I have to add - meant that we were defensively very solid. Also we would always have options for our defenders - having Tiote/Anita always there means the defense never had to hoof it - little triangles could then appear allowing for the occasional marauding full back run.

    None of the above relies on Yohan Cabaye, so either Pardew's a fckwit or he was just smarting from the hopeless defeat. All I watched against Sunderland was the same as I saw last year against them - they wanted it more, they chased more, they harried more and kept a better defensive shape. They didn't 'Arsenal' us, they didn't 'Chelsea' us - they out-Newcastle'd Newcastle. Johnson assumed the Ben Arfa role and was infinitely more effective, Colback and Bridcutt were better than Tiote/Anita, and so on.

    Pardew's job is to get the players heads out of their ar$es - there was petulance and disgruntled players on that field yesterday and he hadn't helped because his attitude in the build up was defeatist. When things are going well, Pardew's alright - in there with the boys, laughing the loudest, slapping on backs and so on. But when things go against him, his head drops more than his players. He didn't instill confidence in this side. So, yes, he has to go back to basics - basics of football management. Manage these players, coach them out of their slump, push them on to achieve better things, to show the world that Cabaye was just another player. Sadly, I don''t know if he's got the stomach for another fight.
     
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  19. Boa

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    Ash will never sell He would want too much hell die and leave the club to someone and lets prey they sell or Try and win.
     
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  20. Mod Face

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    If the plan is just to see out the season with basic kick and run tactics I hope Pards uses this opportunity to blood in some fringe players ahead of next season.

    We've hit our target of survival (it was never anything more than that) so lets give Sammy, Gosling, Haidara, Streete, Richardson, Obertan, Bigi, Dummett and Marveaux a fair crack at the whip, some fighting to break into the team, some to avoid being sold. I'd even like to see players like Mbabu, Armstrong and Aarons given some game time, now is the time to 'experiment'.
     
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