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OMT: Tottenham Hotspur v Hull City

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by THFC6061, Jan 30, 2014.

  1. Spurf

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    Perhaps the reason for some of the play you witnessed was lost to you. What I saw was Spurs trying to move the ball quickly forward with one touch passing. The fact that this often broke down was due IMO to two factors.

    1. The effectiveness of Hull in closing us down.

    2. The fact that we have changed our game with a new manager and are now playing a different game with for example Paulinho in only his second game for Sherwood.

    If you ignore such factors then I suggest you are not in the real world because you cannot ignore the fact that human beings are playing this game.

    I really think that people are getting confused with all these football computer games and forget that humans require many factors to produce their theoretical best it does not just happen like magic.

    So I applaude the change that Sherwood is trying to bring about, whether he has the nouce to succeed we will see but I wish him well and like the way he tries to play the game.
     
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  2. Spudulike

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    The fact that the majority of comments on here suggest it wasn't a good game seems to me that you're in the minority in thinking it was a good performance so I think you should take that into account Spurf when declaring others not living in the "real world". I don't play computer games as I'd rather be outside playing sport so not sure what the comparison is here. Let's agree to disagree but excuses about new managers and gelling is just getting a bit weary now. They are highly paid international footballers. Missing simple, short passes is food and drink to them. Anyhow, it's a beautiful day here and I have no intension of wasting it any more so I'm signing off chaps. Onwards and upwards. COYS!
     
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  3. I've got nothing against Sherwoodie. He wants to be a manager, and he's fallen on his feet with the Spurs job, taking the opportunity that has been handed to him. However, the fact remains that few of us believe that he should have been given that opportunity, or that our clown of a chairman has taken the cheap-skate option, to the undoubted detriment of the club.
     
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  4. Spurf

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    Opinion is not about numbers, the majority are usually on the wrong side as the whole of human history bears witness. The main reason I am outnumbered is that a poor result, and in our position a draw to Hull is a poor result, out come the glass half empty guys. :D
     
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  5. Spurf

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    I don't know how you have become a spokesman for the whole fan base of Spurs. <laugh>
     
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  6. Spurf

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    BTW I didn't suggest it was a GOOD performance.
     
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  7. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    How on earth Soldado remained on that pitch I'll never know. We have royally wasted £26m there.

    As for the game, it just had nothing too it in my opinion. Each team had a few chances but I just found it boring.

    Don't know why Tim didn't change it up, Chadli/ Sig/ Kane could all have been brought on to try and get things moving.

    Hull are strong at home and a point there is a good point but we could've come away with 3 I think had we switched it up a little.
     
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  8. bigsmithy9

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    You must remember that Bruce was a defender in his playing days and he was out to blunt us,which he did.
    Mind you it doesn't help when some of our players are thinking they are sitting intheir armchairs reading the comics!.....and how long is it to the final whistle!!!!!?
     
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  9. Spurf

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    Shane Long looked useful, perhaps we should signed him instead, although I would not write off Soldado just yet as he shows many touches that not many of our recent strikers have. He looks like a player who will thrive on understandings with team mates as much of his game is producing first time passes and little flicks. The ideas are good but the rapport is just not there to make them work yet.
     
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  10. Boss

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    Soldado stayed on the pitch as Sherwood believes in the player and knows he just needs a goal to improve his confidence in finishing . Plus if he wants Adebayor and Soldado to work they have to play games together to develop an understanding.

    I'm not predicting Soldado will come good but you can understand Sherwoods thinking as he sees Soldado in training, he knows the ability is there and when you see a player with ability struggling in matches, there is a tendency to give that player your trust.

    When Soldado first arrived I couldn't believe we spent such money on him and no he isn't naturally suited to our league but he's here, he's part of the squad and no matter what fans are saying, we haven't seen the best of what a confident Soldado can produce , regardless of his issues settling.

    It may be the case he becomes a 1 in 4 striker or just be a link up man, which isn't a long term worthwhile return but between now and may we have Adebayor and Soldado so Sherwood will try and get him producing to some degree.

    But as for our overall performance, we hope for a better display but as Spurf says it will take time for Sherwood to get his ideas sustained into the team as firsty we haven't even played our strongest team yet and this is Sherwoods first job in management, these aren't excuses, it's a reality and if we finish 7th it doesn't mean any progress made by Sherwood should be overlooked as he's been given a fairly unrealistic task to get 4th this year.
     
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    After the first half Sherwood would probably have taken a point, but that second forty-five minutes was utterly dire from a home fans' perspective.
     
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    I was saying he was another David Pleat the moment he arrived.

    The different is that in 2004 Pleat was replaced by Santini - whilst this time it was the exact opposite.
     
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  13. bigsmithy9

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    I'm kind of happy for Gus at Sunderland and Tony at Palace.
    Makes me wonder if Tony could have done anything with our lot.......?
     
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    I bloody hope not! <yikes>
     
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  15. Sidney Fiddler

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    The persistence of Sherwood while admirable to play the youthful Benatlab has not worked.
    He has been ok but really we must have better options . I am not sure what type of
    player he is, not really creative, defensive, a bit of a jack of all trades.
    In central midfield I would prefer a Sandro/Capoue alongside Eriksen orchestrating our game like Modric did.
    Sherwoods central pairing have offered very little, but as workhorses .
    I hope Sherwood is not playing a stubborn game and showing Levy that youth (cheap, which Levy will love)
    is his calling card,
     
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    Bentaleb's a good all round midfielder. Passes the ball well, has decent technical skills, good physicality, works hard, wins tackles, has a decent shot on him and doesn't seem phased by the step up.
    He'd probably excel alongside a deep-lying playmaker, someone who has better vision than him, but who would still allow him to get forward without constantly worrying about covering the defence.
    We don't really have one of those, barring Tom Carroll, so it makes sense that our U21 side battered everyone with them in the side.

    The next best option would be a proper holding player, but with someone else in the side given the role of making us tick.
    Sandro or Capoue paired with him and Eriksen in the hole seems the most likely combination.

    I think that the left wing's our biggest problem at the moment. Using Eriksen there unbalances us and gives Rose a lot to do.
    Townsend might be the answer there, but I think that Chadli's probably offered our best option in his absence. A sustained run on that side might do him some good.
     
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  17. bigsmithy9

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    Spurf.

    I can remember when Man City had two "managers".Allison to coach the players and Joe Mercer to take care of the bullcrap.
    It worked. We need something to link our team together.
    Our defence goes insane in some games and a lot of our forwards are thinking of summer.They seem to be somewhere else,some of them.
    You can't always blame the injuries although a couple of our key men have gone down for a while.
    Which makes me wonder if Kaboul is finished and Vertinghen is getting itchy feet....
     
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  18. Spurf

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    Smithy I agree we need someone to link our players together to make them into a team and that of course is the manager/coaches job. I wouldn't want Pullis because I have seen his Stoke. In the end I couldn't support AVB because he was boring us all to death. Mercer and Allison shared a similar philosophy to Redknapp & Sherwood and also to people like Shankley and Clough. A philosophy that essentially says football is a simple game and the managers job is to select a team and enable them to express themselves as well as possible. I think Sherwood is trying to do that and I hope he succeeds although in the modern football world it wont be easy.
     
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  19. Sidney Fiddler

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    Verts is arguably our most accomplished player . He like any talented player wants to win things
    and play Champs league every season . The chances of this happening at Spurs are pretty remote.
    I think he will be gone in the summer and I am not sure you can blame him .
     
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  20. KingHotspur

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    Agree completely.

    Lloris will be off too, although I think Vertonghen will be a much bigger loss and harder to replace.
     
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