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Please God, not Malky Mackay!

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  1. xLuKeYx

    xLuKeYx Member

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    Malky is a mid-table manager, who managed to do less than Dave Jones with more money.

    That is why Malky Mackay would be a backweard step in the progression of this football club.

    I for one will not back his appointment, as I don't believe he has earnt any sort of chance at a big club like Cardiff.
     
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    You are entitled to your opinion (which Managers DO you like?) but that is the wrong attitude in my opinion. Whoever it is, whether we like him or not, we should give 100% support otherwise they have no chance and the club will suffer next season.
     
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  3. xLuKeYx

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    Personally I think anyone other Hughton, Di Matteo or O'Neill is a poor man's compromise.

    Apart from O'Neill, we can afford them, and they have shown interest in coming here, so why are they paying compensation to Watfored when their current manager is not even half as good as the one we have just let go?

    Don't get me wrong, he deserves a chance if he gets given the job, he just doesn't deserve the job in the first place, that's where my issue lies, with whatever idiot at CCFC who says this is a good idea.

    It very clearly isn't.
     
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    Disagree. I'm pro all the other candidates you mention but reckon that this MM fella has something to him. He's obviously respected and has done a decent job with little in the way of resources. Given that he's looking at a 20 m budget and seems to have his head screwed on I think it's as good a shot as any bar M O N who's obviously too expensive. Remember RDM stagnated as soon as he got WBA into the Prem and the fans were pleased to see the back of him. Houghton I like and I'm not quite sure why that's not happened but there must be a reason. However I'll back MM all the way. . . assuming we get him.
     
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  5. Dinas

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    Because other people have a different opinion to you?
     
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  6. xLuKeYx

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    He may well have something to him, but we are hardly in a position to take a gamble on a mid-table manager who might come good at some point in the future.

    Even if he were to come good, it definitely won't be for the next few seasons.

    Managing a football club is an experience game, and this guy's only experience is doing worse than DJ with what was probably more money.

    Do we really want to take a backwards step? I know I don't.
     
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  7. xLuKeYx

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    Really?

    Does anyone here honestly believe that Malky is better appointment than Hughton or Di Matteo?

    Because, even though you have quoted me completely out of context, my point was why pay for someone who is not as good as someone who is free?

    Example: Bellamy on a free, or my arthritic nan for £10 million?
     
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  8. Dinas

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    And my point is that him not being as good as someone who is free is not a fact, it's just your opinion. How good a manager Hughton in particular is, for example, at the job we would want him to do, is pretty impossible to guess, considering his entire managerial career so far has consisted of getting a team of Premier-quality players promoted to the Premier, and doing well with them there for half a season.

    There are objective reasons why Bellamy would be better at football than your arthritic nan. Who's best out of Hughton, di Matteo and Mackay is a matter of judgement, and it would be narrow-sighted to claim that can be assessed conclusively on the evidence any of us have available when they've each got such short track records.
     
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  9. Boy in Blue

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    I think MM would do a great job, from what the Watford fans have written, the guy seems to have a lot of desire.

    Desire, something I haven't seen in a Cardiff team in a long while, when was the last time you remember our team with that little bit of hunger to go the extra mile? From the majority of games I watch I seem to watch us go a goal (two if lucky) ahead, and then sit back and invite teams onto us.

    The reason teams like Norwich and Swansea went up this season, is because they wanted every inch of the game they played. Now to have a manager with that kind of hunger, alongside a team captain in Bellamy (hopeful!), with a budget like DJ's over the past few years, i'm sure we will do fine!

    Time to stop babbling on i guess :emoticon-0117-talki
     
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    Yet the same is true of Malky, and you want us to pay for the disappointment of finding out he is not as good as everyone else thought?

    At least with the other candidates, if they fail, we didn't waste valuable funds paying compensation for a dud.
     
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  11. Dinas

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    Impossible for US to guess. People who have interviewed them all should have a much better idea.

    On the issue of a fee, frankly any compensation fee <£500k would not buy you much else in Championship football, so the difference between a free manager or one that cost a few hundred thousand is not a big issue to me. For all we know McKay may be asking for £300k salary and the other two £400k, which over a three-year contract could well cancel out any comp fee in any case. Or the board may feel McKay would be a much shrewder buyer who would save far more than a few hundred thousand in buying/selling players.

    Basically I don't think the compensation fee on its own is particularly significant.
     
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  12. babyhornetdan

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    Watford fan in peace here.

    Can you clarify what you mean by "Malky is a mid-table manager, who managed to do less than Dave Jones with more money." Malky Mackay had the second smallest budget in the league with only Scunthorpe having a smaller one, yet we managed to flirt with the play-offs on a few occasions, and only ended up 14th when we were favourites to be relegated. Surely this is a better performance than Jones who was (i believe) supposed to take you into the premiership with ease an big players such as Bellamy on the books (they dont come cheap!)

    Malky managed to instill a belief that our players could win and that showed at times, even beating yourselves and ending Milwall's unbeaten run 1-6 at theirs, and were the first team to beat QPha in the whole season! All of this with a large number of youngsters who came through our academy and 2/3 loan players. I dont think he did bad at all when you look at all that.
     
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  13. harrowhorn

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    Are you insane? The only club in the division with less cash than us was Scunthorpe. Chopra, Bothroyd, JET, Bellamy - the amount YOU were paying Bellamy would have paid for just about the whole starting 11. Where on earth did you get this nonsense?
     
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  14. harrowhorn

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    Oops - sorry BHD - great minds and all that!
     
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    I'm baffled how these Watford fans know what every club in the league's budget was, to know that there was only team who spent less than them?
     
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  16. xLuKeYx

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    Regardless of the ammount we paid on wages (research it a little bit and you will see that the club didn't pay most of our wage bill anyway, it was our investors who paid most of our loanees wages personally), we faced 3 winding up orders this season alone.

    Watford had none.

    That's where I get this "nonsense" from.
     
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    Ok then ignoring that fact explain how Malky Mackay had more money to spend than Jones? He simply did not!

    Yeah Harrow, i did lol when i saw your post straight after mine
     
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    Jones bought Naylor, Keinan and Parkin. No offense to any of them, but they are bnargain basement players. The rest were loanees who were paid by their parent club and our investors personally.

    The club itself had very little money, hence the 3 winding up orders we faced this season alone and the number of ocassions when players weren't paid anywhere near on time.

    Whilst we may have sorted it out now, I could claim quite confidently that we were one of the poorest teams in the championship last season, and most others before it.

    I would back this up by stating one simple little fact: We had to sell £33million pounds worth of players just to have any hope of staying afloat. The fact we were expected to replace this talent with just £5 million shows how dire our financial position was/is.
     
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  19. babyhornetdan

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    But you still paid more even without the loan players im sure!! You can afford, as a club, to give Malky a 20mill budget, which gives the impression that you have money to burn. So i say again, MM had a smaller budget to work with than Dave Jones and did better compatativly.

    I get the point Luke, but my point is that the club was given money to spend, it does not batter where it comes from!! Malky Mackay simply was not given any money to spend. Even with our new owners we are not getting investment other than the pitch to be replaced at some point and maybe renovating 2 stands. In fact he is actually taking money from us to pay the debts off. So dont say you have less money than watford!!
     
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  20. harrowhorn

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    Most games 10 of our match day squad were academy produced. Most expensive players: Graham £250k plus add-ons, deeney £250k, buckley £175k, McGinn £150k Cowie £50k. Last season we bought Buckley and Deeney. Wage cap £5k, most on less than half that. How much were you playing Chopra again?

    Oh, i forgot, it wasn't the club, it was the investors!!! How does that make any difference??? You're living in another world, pal.

    The reason you had 3 winding up orders is you had, and p1ssed up the wall, massive amounts of money then forgot to pay the tax man.
     
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