I know you're mid-thirties really, we've discussed it before. I'm sure my comment will click into place eventually though
Took a while but I get ya now I'm off to ruin the F1 thread with some Hash style octopi porn Anyway....back to Bluff's op seeing as it's a good one. Will it become "typical LFC" over the next few seasons for us to be busier chasing new sponsors than chasing new players (of quality)?
Looking back over what appears to have happened in relation to our player acquisition programme there is probably no one single solution. It is becoming a somewhat black joke that may or may not be justified. Whilst identifying targets is certainly a footballing activity, the acquisition process is certainly a commercial activity and should be treated as such. Therefore, it would be normal commercial management to review each any every attempt - successful or not. The organisation needs to inform itself what went right and what went wrong and how they may be applied/rectified in the future. That is just good management practice. However, it does not mean that the practices used in one acquisition should become the norm. Each purchase process will have essential differences regarding the player or the selling club. From my experience there is a point in each negotiation were you have to make an executive decision in a hurry. I just wonder if our negotiators find themselves having to try and contact Werner or Henry for authorisation and those moments are lost? Not having the Chairman 'on the spot' and a CEO who does not have full control could interfere with the process. I may be well wide of the mark but it is a possibility.
Ha! the hair thing don't work Billy. I've still got a full head of hair and it's not white but my bones tell me I'm OLD
good possibility, would explain why it takes us so ruddy long to do anything. if that is the problem though, that needs sorting asap. couldn't they just cut the middle man out and just deal directly with brendan?
I think we've both agreed in the past that having an absent chairman and no CEO is an issue especially in terms of transfer activity Dave however if (and as always I stress the if) that is the problem, or even part of the problem it really would be a poor show. My biggest problem at the moment (and something I'm finding quite hard to get my head around) is what exactly our "new age transfer committee" has been up to for the past 5 or so months? Identifying (and failing to get) Salah? I guess we'll find out for definite in the next few days eh.
I can assure you that my hair is real and it's 'style' owes nothing to Bobby Charlton The CEO thing was just a thought. As I was typing it I thought I sounded like a club apologist!
If that really is a big problem, perhaps they should come over and have a holiday every January and sort the ****er out. It can't be any worse over here than it is in Boston this time of year.
I can't imagine the availablity of an executive for a signature to be a problem TBH. Can be easily done by fax, online etc. It's down to these boys (besides Rodgers, Ayre and FSG of course): Dave Fallows Head of Recruitment. Fallows, along with chief scout Barry Hunter, joined Liverpool from Manchester City in September 2012, having been approached prior to Brendan Rodgers’ arrival. They were placed on ‘gardening leave’ by City and thus could not officially work for Liverpool in last summer’s transfer window. Rodgers said of Fallows, and Hunter: “They were appointments I was fully aware of. I’ve known Barry for a long time and Dave also. Dave was already in the offing to come here. From Dave’s position, he would only accept the job if someone like myself was coming in.” The appointment of the two was described as a “major coup” by The Liverpool Echo. Fallows was a key part of City’s staff where his role as “Football Scouting and Recruitment Coordinator” involved assigning scouts, filtering reports, preparing recommendations and presentations on the club’s targets, and compiling a database of scouted players. Seemingly his role at Liverpool is of a similar nature. Michael Edwards Head of Performance and Analysis. Edwards is the least well-known of the committee. He was appointed at the club by Damien Comolli having worked alongside the Frenchman at Tottenham where he was head of performance analysis. His role with Liverpool changed from “Head of Analytics” to “Head of Performance and Analysis” when Fallows and Hunter, and thus the committee structure, was put in place last year. Edwards graduated from The University of Sheffield in 2002 in Business Management and Informatics. Barry Hunter Chief Scout. Hunter arrived with Dave Fallows from Manchester City and is the chief scout at Liverpool. A Northern Irishman who played for Wrexham, Reading and Rushden and Diamonds, he represented his country on 14 occasions. He began scouting for Blackburn in 2006, joining Norwich in 2008 before moving to Man City where he was the club’s scout for Italy, Switzerland and Russia. Hunter knows Rodgers from their days at Reading together. Julian Ward Ward is the club’s regional scouting manager for Portugal and Spain, another who was appointed in autumn 2012 from Man City. He has been scouting LFC target Luis Alberto and seems to be an important figure given Liverpool’s current interest in Iago Apas, Sergi Canos, Alberto and others. Ward is actually a sports scientist who in the past worked for the Portuguese football federation monitoring their talent pool. His role at City involved helping to set up their talent identification and monitoring system. He is another with links to Liverpool – having graduated from John Moores university in 2002 – and Northern Ireland where he attended the University of Ulster from 2005 to 2008. He has previously held positions at Prozone and The Football Association. Steven Aptroot Aprtoot is an international scout for Holland and Belgium, based in Amsterdam. He joined the club in July 2011 under Damien Comolli. He believes in the collective committee aspect of scouting and values things such as ‘VoetbalIQ’ and knows Dutch youth football inside out. Fernando Troiani Based in Buenos Aires, Troiani is a scout for South America. He has previously worked for AS Monaco, Hannover 96, Bayer Leverkusen and Grasshopper Zurich. Troiani is another who arrived from Man City last autumn. Mads Jørgensen Jorgensen, of Championship Manager fame years ago, was appointed as the club’s Scandinavian scout in August 2011. Mel Johnson Johnson arrived under Comolli having worked together at Tottenham, where he recommended Gareth Bale and Adel Taarabt to the London side. Johnson was recruited to head the southern England scouting. Other regional scouts include Neil Richardson (Lincolnshire), Colin Cardines (Stevenage), and Alan Harper (ex Liverpool and Everton player) whose tasks are to identify talented players and keep data on all games and players watched. More recently Andy Sayer and Kevin Hunt are also reported to be deflecting from City to Liverpool this summer. It was reported last summer that Liverpool were also looking to add Rob Newman and David Fernandez from Man City. It was later reported that City managed to retain the duo by offering them promotions within their department.
Looking like we are heading to back to the jokes and "what could have, should have, would have" beens.
Yes you can stick me in that bracket - behind Dave, he's the daddy. I actually think there's two 'typical Liverpools'. The 'old' version was drag you through each game on the brink of losing it only to battle it out and win through - Istanbul being the ultimate example. The new version you describe very well so I don't need to add anything. I think we've had so many new starts and nearly there's - Rafa coming closest - that although I'm still not sure about BR, I really want this to be the beginning of [or should that be getting back to] greatness
Dave, I disagree that physical availability is an issue in a modern company. IMO the issues lie elsewhere.
So the President of Club X says to Ayre "£1 million more and I'll gift wrap him and tell Club Y to go away". Ayre is left with no other option than call the US and hope that he can het an immediate decision. Whilst that's happening Club Y phone and offer an extra £1.5 million!
And why not get an immediate decision from the US? Video conferences, face time, etc etc. At least JH is in some terrestrial office all hooked up for business, rather then in some dead zone in the shadows the Dinaric Alps, manning the World's Largest Yacht. I'd say "typical liverpool" is down to more substantial problems at the organizational level, the way scouts are tasked and evaluated, the way Fallows & Edwards make their pick and bring it to Rodgers and Ayre, and the way these four come together to make the end decision. The final stage of untying the purse strings should be (and I hope it is) a technicality/formality.
I think we still have plenty to be excited about. Sturridge and Suarez are banging in the goals. in 11/12 no one was scoring much. Optimism please.
