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Is Jose being arrogant if he really is considering selling Mata to United?

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  1. Drogs

    Drogs Well-Known Member

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    I still can't believe this is about to happen, what a ****ing stupid decision.
     
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  2. JCC87

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    Well we have been linked with centre back Kurt Zouma and Luke Shaw as of late, if we were to sign both of those players, then Shaw replaces Bertrand, Zouma replaces the gap left by Luiz moving into central midfield whilst Ramires and Lampard provide the extra cover needed for the attacking midfield. And if we were to sign Salah/Griezmann then they would cover the departure of De Bruyne.

    Cech, Azpi - Ivan - JT - Shaw - Ramires - Matic or Luiz - Willian - Oscar - Hazard - Torres or Eto'o

    Schwarzer - Cahill - Zouma - Cole - Mikel - Matic or Luiz - Lampard - Salah/Griezmann - Schurrle - Torres or Eto'o - Ba

    Not a bad squad with maybe Ba out too and another striker in
     
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  3. danishqp

    danishqp Well-Known Member

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    Then you don't really know Mau's modus operandi - Having dinner at Donostiarra provided a unique insight into how several top R.Madrid profiles including the top one had, had their lives transformed for the better by the departure of this one man. Two of them were his countrymen!!
    On the basis of 2nd half of last Season - you would have been competing for the league this.
    You conveniently state that this is the first time since 2010 that you are challenging -
    Well, 2011 Runners -up, 2012 CL Winners & FA Cup, 2013 EL Winners and 3rd.
    This squad was going to be challenging this Season whatever happened and whomever took over.
    Let's also remember that you won the things you did with Kalou, Mikkel, Bosingwa, Malouda in your side. Oh there was also a certain Mata playing.

    Mou's time at Madrid proves that he doesn't want anyone at his club to be more popular than he is - Get used to this.

    He has bought himself a year of "transition" where you will win nothing - and I simply do not understand that you have let him get away with it. You will in the Summer get rid of Luiz as well, you will be left with players that have to love the Mr. and trust me Mr.Hazard will sonn be on his travels when he gets fed up of constantly having to flog himself for the sake of efficiency and solidness over skill and joy.

    You're right on one thing - Jose is not stupid, but he is a selfish man who looks after No. 1 first. Jose Mourinho's one true love is Jose Mourinho.
     
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  4. chelsea - over 100 years of history

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    And why do you care so much?!?
     
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  5. No Kane No Gain

    No Kane No Gain Well-Known Member

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    I think it's simple, Chelsea announced another big loss recently that sees them just about scraping by to make FFP, that means spending has to be controlled. Not even Chelsea can afford to have a player worth £35mill+ on the fringes of the squad it seems so then it comes down to selling him for the highest price. No foreign clubs will get near United's bid, the only ones that can afford to already have top number 10s at their club. Chelsea don't want to sell to United but they need to, selling him cheap effects their own ability to buy. I think this will be a continuing policy, you have a ton of players out on loan that you can sell off too and Mourinho's always had expensive taste for players.

    The idea that Mata is being sold to United as some elaborate scheme to have a very small effect on the title race is fanciful. If he was doing that he's taking a stupid risk. United have the set up to be a top challenging team, finishing outside the top 4 really stunts this whilst if us, Everton and Liverpool(to an extent) finish top 4 then we're less likely to be an immediate threat. What Chelsea are doing could just as easily be seen as throwing them a lifeline. I very much doubt either train of thought played a part in the decision making to sell Mata to United though.

    Even though I'm annoyed too, it is quite funny seeing how many fans from other clubs that this is annoying :D
     
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  6. Krome

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    I don't think there's a single fan of other clubs in the country that hasn't enjoyed watching utd this season
     
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  7. danishqp

    danishqp Well-Known Member

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    Because I'm not blinkered by tribal loyalties and have a Son who for my sins loves and breathes for you lot with Drogba and Mata his favourites.
    That I confess, have found out that I have held a subliminal dislike for Man Utd by inexpicably getting so much pleasure from their recent demise.
    Seeing Mata playing with Hazard and Oscar made it bearable seeing as I have to watch nearly every Chelsea match with my 9 year old.
     
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  8. Spurlock

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    If Rafa sold Mata to United...would the chelsea fans have backed him?
     
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  9. CPofL KTBFFH

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    We didn't have Willian/Matic/Shurrle so it's not comparable is it.
     
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  10. Spurlock

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    im not being argumentative it was a genuine query. Regardless of that..Mata is much better than them 3...your player of the year for the previous 2 seasons in a row, was surely for good reason?

    It's a jose decision and had Rafa made it..there would be riots.
     
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  11. CPofL KTBFFH

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    Not in our system. He's sat on the bench contributing zero. Now we have a kitty building to buy pretty much any player we like. Maybe he'll be in for Ronaldo in the summer <party>
     
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  12. Spurlock

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    ok,granted you watch the games much more than me...i think Mata wasnt given the chance to adapt to that system..as soon as Jose walked in...Mata has been frozen. I also remember how Mata came on as sub against us at the Lane and changed the game for your team.
     
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  13. chelsea - over 100 years of history

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    You're right he did. However that was a game we were losing so had to throw caution to the wind more and tactics changed etc. Mata is a fantastic attacking player of course but Jose wants more all round contribution so I guess that's why he didn't pick him much.

    As good as Mata is, I've said even last season that Hazard and Oscar had greater potential to be (in fergie's words!) top top players and I stand by that.

    I agree though, had Rafa been in charge and let Bertrand, De Bruyne and Mata leave this window and bringing in Matic (who essentially replaces Van Ginkel in this season's squad), he'd have a lot to answer for! Jose deserves respect and trust though given his amazing record with us previously, this season and with other clubs. He is the special one after all!!
     
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  14. CPofL KTBFFH

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    It really doesn't matter whether Jose gave him time or not you have to deal with reality. Jose, as is his right as manager, isn't playing him. His value to us at that point is zero, just a big wage bill. He's a good bloke, a very good footballer but not in our system.
    TBH, like Lineker tweeted yesterday it's a big surprise United wanted him because they don't need him. He'll play wide where he is less effective or they move Rooney to where he is less effective. Do the 2 things combine to make United better?
     
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  15. danishqp

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    I know you're tongue in cheek but Ronaldo would give up football before working with Mourinho again.
    What should worry you is more the fact that the truly talented players get bored with Mou, who's next in line, Hazard?
    Because he may well get tired with this "system" - No coincidence that you have improved football wise by the introduction of Luiz as DM but Mou doesn't really want him there and he'll definitely be off in Summer to Barca.
    Football is evolving and he'd better evolve with it - Mancini, Mou, Benitez and to a certain extent managers like Moyes are on their way out.
    Long live Pellegrini, Guardiola, Klopp et al
     
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  16. CPofL KTBFFH

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    What should worry you is more the fact that the truly talented players get bored with Mou, who's next in line, Hazard?
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    The Hazard currently playing the best football of his life?

    Or are you saying players like Drogba had no talent?

    I guess it must have been tongue in cheek <doh>
     
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  17. Drogs

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    Sorry I must have missed people praising Jose's decision here?

    and obviously not, we hate Rafa.
     
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  18. allsaintchris.

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    Yeah, cos their record of playing against teams who play like Chelsea is great..........

    It's easier to break down a free-flowing team and stop them playing their own game (Chelsea v Barca, Chelsea v Bayern etc etc) than it is to beat a well organised team that sit back a bit more and can control the play as and when they like.
     
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  19. danishqp

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    You're absolutely right that teams like Chelsea will have their day as they did in 2011 - However, in general that is NOW:

    Not going to win you leagues
    Not satisfying to an owner like Abramovich
    Not satisfying to the majority of fans ( even the die hard of 40/50 years - they've seen the trophies being collected and now demand with style)
    Not satisfying to the flair players

    I'll also make you right that this year, Bayern would be more afraid of a Chelsea in a one off game than Arsenal or Man City, or even a Barcelona. However, Chelsea with this system wont get there.
     
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  20. Super_Chelsea_Blue_Boys

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    What you mean a system that hasn't seen us lose in 7 matches and has one of the tightest defences in the league. Yeah I'd worry about that kind of form too...
     
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