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Is history cast in stone?

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  1. Aloysius

    Aloysius New Member

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    This is no doubt the case.

    Through ignorance of the clubs history, or laziness, or whatever, people might refer to e.g. Windass's winning goal for the Hull Tigers in the 2008 play-off final.

    Your concerns seem to revolve around the possibility of mistakes like the above becoming routine, until a point is reached whereby there is no longer any record or recollection of the name Hull City AFC.

    To me this seems an unlikely scenario, and not one to be unduly concerned about. After all, those who are interested are still aware of the Hull Comets 110 years after becoming Hull City AFC.
     
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  2. DMD

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    I'm basing my opinion on past histories and experience, what are you basing yours on?
     
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  3. DMD

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    Historians and physicists disagree with you.
     
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  4. Aloysius

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    This is probably true.

    Through ignorance or laziness or whatever, someone might refer to e.g. Windass's winning goal for the Hull Tigers in the 2008 play off final.

    As far as I can tell, your concerns seem to revolve around the possibility that mistakes like the one above become so routine that there is neither record nor recollection of the name Hull City AFC.

    To me this seems an unlikely scenario, and not one to be unduly concerned about. After all, those who are interested are still aware of the Hull Comets 110 years after they became Hull City AFC.
     
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  5. captain caveman

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    On 28th May 2008 Hull City beat Bristol City 1 - 0 with Dean Windass scoring in the 38th minute after being set up by Fraizer Campbell.
    These are historical facts and cannot be changed.

    If Dean Windass changes his name, it would not change the fact that he scored the winning goal. If Hull City change their name, it does not change the fact that Hull City won that game. Changing Hull City's name has no effect on Hull City's history.
     
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  6. DMD

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    Poor MKDons, wining at Wembley but getting no open top tour of Milton Keynes.
     
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  7. DMD

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    My opinion's based on history and experience, what's yours based on?
     
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  8. Aloysius

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    Sorry about the repeat post.

    I don't see how you can be basing your opinion on past histories and experience. What past histories can you point to which have been entirely lost to record or recollection. If there have been any, by definition, nobody would know about them.

    I am basing my opinion on facts such as the Hull Comets still being on record after 110 years. Why should Hull City AFC suffer a worse fate?

    Can you point me in the direction of a physicist who believes the past can be changed?
     
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  9. DMD

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    Any decent physicist will give you a good argument that it can be altered, for a start you could look at the experiments to determine particles v waves.

    If your opinion's limited to being based simply on the Hull Comets experience, I can see why you're struggling. Have a play on google and you'll find a wealth of papers explaining how and why history is simply not cast in stone. MK Dons winning the FA cup is perhaps another example.

    Out of interest, what was your previous user name?
     
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  10. captain caveman

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    Maybe their owner had a spat with the council. :bandit: Allegedly.
     
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    Reading through this thread there is one line that stands out for me
    "It's not "Hull's" football team at all, us in Hull want Hull City. That new team would be Mr Allam's football team, he's made that very clear.

    That is actually quite scary. Looking back at the refusal to put on a proper celebration of the promotion that was just the start, who would have thought then that it would be the name change argument next. Makes me wonder if it goes through then what else. Sorry if it is a bit off thread but I think we have already seen "City" wiped out. The bloke on the mike at the ground never refers to City, there is nothing on any signs referring to City and now the adverts are being put on to hide the clock leading up to 19:04 to try and avoid the "City till I die song". Like I said scary.
     
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  12. Aloysius

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    I am aware of experiments regarding wave/particle duality, they are the basis of quantum physics. At a loss as to how these relate to the possibility of changing the past though. You will no doubt be able to enlighten me.

    My opinion was based on facts such as the Hull Comets still being on record. That is I was using it as an example. You still haven't given any examples of the past histories and experiences on which you claim to be basing your opinions. The MK Dons example is an example of someone making a mistake about history. If what you fear is that Hull City AFC becomes expunged from history, you need to provide examples where this has happened. This of course is no more possible than changing the past.

    I have no previous user names.
     
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  13. Craigo

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    Losing our history in the event of a name change = A laughable attempt at scare-mongering.

    Only the mouth-breathers among us would fall for such a desperate argument, but I'm sure that is CTWD's target audience.
     
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  14. Charlie1

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    Are you talking about physics theorems and theories that can be proved or disproved so changing what was once accepted as fact therefore altering what was once thought in the past?
     
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  15. SydneyTiger14

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    I love how DMD keeps telling people to go google something. As if we don't have an iota of intelligent and logical thought ourselves.
     
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  16. Stuart Blampey

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    Meow!
     
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  17. Craigo

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    Thanks for demonstrating my point. <ok>
     
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  18. Stuart Blampey

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    You're the Man, Craig.
     
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  19. Craigo

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    Sing it loud!!
     
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  20. Benjo

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    Regardless of the history argument we'll all know the truth. I can't see how it's such a big deal to people. Others already make the Humberside error all the time and although they're incorrect it's nothing more than a minor irritation at the worst.

    Perceptions from the general public may well change to an extent, but where a football club is concerned the only perception that matters is that of it's own fans. Some southern journalist type making a mistake in a year's time will only serve to make them look stupid.
     
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